Austin, Okay, full circle now, why do you believe that Piezo prints have a greater dynamic range than silver prints? Is this a just a sense, a hunch based on theory, or something you've observed through controlled tests? IOW, lets say you were comparing each process using a 200 step wedge, which I imagine would challenge our eyes ability to discriminate between the steps, are you of the mind a piezo print can handle it better than a properly exposed and developed contact print on a good silver paper? If so, why? Todd > > Hi Todd, > >> So back to the step wedges... At each end of the scale either process >> (inkjet vs silver) will give you it's paper white for dmin, and max black >> for dmax, and the range between those two will define their >> "density range". >> >> Then, once the ends are taken into account, what may mitigate either >> processes ability to discern intermediate tones (dynamic range - which >> includes the endpoints as well) will be noise, which in the case of inkjet >> might be poor profiles/separation curves, toothiness of paper, nozzle >> alignment, etc, > > Sounds good to me...but I've never explored specifically what is the source > of "noise" in the digital printing system. It may be other than noise BTW > that limits dynamic range. It may be the dithering algorithm...it may be > the accuracy with which ink can be laid down, or the accuracy of the print > heads...the tonal variations of the inks with in the same color, the > temperature, humidity.... > >> and in the case of silver prints might be lens aberration, >> flare, dust on the negative, improper development, etc? > > Well, I believe it's mostly limited by the paper, as well as exposure and > development. Again, I have personally not explored the reasons for this. > I'd suggest seeing if AA's book "The Print" has some information on this. > >> Thus you can have a situation where one process has a greater >> density range >> but a lower dynamic range, and vice versa? > > Yes. > >>> BTW, this stuff is just so important to a deeper understanding >> of quite a >>> lot of stuff in photography, much less other things in life. >> At least in my >>> opinion. >> >> For example? > > ...most any sensory information or things having to do with perception. > Video, audio...hell, even taste, thought (how's your thinking when you have > a head cold...low signal to noise ratio ;-) if you want to get really > esoteric about it. > > Austin > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other > resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames." > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various > resources on the homepage. > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >
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Re: [Digital BW] Dynamic Range
2002-03-25 by Todd Flashner
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