on 4/4/02 10:27 AM, John Brownlow wrote: <Snip> > (5a) D2 = (Dmax - Dmin') - MAX ( delta (Dn, Dn+1)) > > This seems like an achievable measurement and definitely different from the > original D1 in equation (1). I wonder what, if anything, it really tells us? John, I followed along as best I could, but I did get lost (not understanding delta and all), but here's the deal. By the time you've measured all your 256 density patches, what do you want to do with that data? Do you want to compress it all into a value like 2.6, or 25db, that really tells you very little about the characteristics of your print (short of suggesting a density range), or would you rather plot it as a curve (which is how I've always seen silver papers characteristics represented), to get a more meaningful representation of the qualities of said print? Even with scanners, where Austin's DyR formula is totally applicable, what does the net result really tell you? The density range the scanner is capable of before noise becomes intrusive. In electronics we can't see the noise from outside of the box; on a print, if the noise is the tooth of the paper, do you really want that characteristic expressed as a number? Plus much of this discussion so far has focused on the ability of a paper to separate the first perceptible highlight from dMin. What does it say about a paper like Somerset Enhanced, which has soft smooth midtones, which some might crave, in spite of what may be high "noise" and relatively weak highlight separation? Could you appreciate that characteristic from a single number? Ironically, a paper like Torchon, which has a lot of surface modulation, yields one of the sharpest looking prints out there, at least for larger prints. And the tooth of that paper seems to be relatively more of a problem to our visual perception than I'm guessing one would expect from measured values. So some people hate it for small prints with close viewing distances, but love it for larger prints with far viewing distances. What do we do with that? Todd
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Re: [Digital BW] Some equations WAS Thoughts about Imaging
2002-04-04 by Todd Flashner
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