Gregory Popovitch is raising some very interesting and valid points, particularly regarding the difficulty of mastering certain elements of the darkroom part of the process of creating a silverprint. If a process becomes so simple that anyone can do it, then it can hardly be sold at a price which is completely disconnected from the cost of production. Currently, most people think it is easy to make inkjet prints (which is partly true), therefore an inkjet print can't be sold for much money and cant offer a collector a potentially huge profit. What we need is a few artist which will produce work of recognized beauty and lasting value. It took nearly a century for classic photography to earn the respect it currently enjoys. This is largely attributable to the lifelong work of a few great artists and most if not all of the commercially successful photographers among those were also great darkroom masters. I do not think that digital photography will have to wait a century to gain recognition, but it may be longer than we would like. One not so little thorny point that is not helping at the moment is the question of longevity of inkjet prints. When a gallery sells a silver print, it knows it will last longer than the remaining life of the gallery owner and longer than the remaining life of the buyer. So there is complete peace of mind on this front. The infamous blunders of Epson with regard to longevity of some of their inkjet prints has cast a very dark and lasting shadow on this type of prints regardless of the fact that it is dye or pigment color or black and white, with new improved ink or on a different paper base. More than a few gallery owners are scared stiff of injet prints for this simple reason and may remain irrationally scared for a long time because, quite conveniently, in certain milieu avoiding inkjet prints has become the "artistically correct" attitude. Jean-Michel Paris >I have been reading this forum, and I have been debating whether to join >the epson-inkjet crowd or stay with my darkroom. I have been thinking about >why aren't inkjet prints more accepted by galleries. Here are some thoughts >on >the question, and I'm really looking forward to hear your reactions. > >I believe there are multiple reasons why inkjet prints readily accepted by >galleries, one beeing that it is neither proven nor accepted that some >technical wizardry is necessary to produce an great inkjet print. > >Some time ago, Michael Kravit wrote: > >"I would venture to say that it will still be a while for the >paper coatings and inks to be able to replicate the "glow" and luminescence >of a Michael Kenna or John Sexton print." > >and George J Kunze replied: > >"I would venture that it will still be a while before 99% of silver printers >can replicate the glow and luminescence of a Kenna or Sexton." > >I think these comments are very true, and explain why inkjet prints are not >as acceptable today for galleries (and collectors): > >1- the best silver printers (the ones collected and found in galleries) can > produce prints better than today's inkjet technology (at least for small >prints, > 11x14 and smaller, like Michael Kenna's). > >but more important: > >2- producing a great silver print, of the caliber that ends up in galleries, >requires > a mastery that is achieved by a very small percentage of printers. Because >these > great silver printers are few, great silver prints are rare and not easily >duplicated! > >And it is really the print itself which is important! I've read that once >behind glass, >you can't tell an inkjet print from a silver print. So what? You can't tell >either a >lenswork special edition (or even a very well printed duotone) from the >original silver print >behind glass without a loupe, but nobody is surprised that these sell for >much less >than an original print. It is because a great silver print is a rare object, >not easily >duplicated. > >Now is this true for an inkjet print? Are there some inkjet prints that >really shine, and >of a quality unreachable for 99% of those who try. Is is really hard to >print hundred's >of them if needed? What if I use your file, your printer, same ink, curves, >paper, RIP, etc... > >You guys even say it all the time. You get better prints with your Epsons >than you ever got >in the darkroom, and some of you have probably spent decades becoming silver >(or platinum) >printers and a couple years with your Epsons. Obviously, it is easier to >make great inkjet >prints... which makes a great inkjet print not so exciting anymore. > >I think Mark Tucker talked about doing something to his prints to make them >unique. >I do think this is the one way to get inkjets accepted (especially if this >something is >unique, difficult, and requires some mastery). For example Dan Burkholder >makes platinum >prints from digital negatives, and then adds color using an inkjet printer. >If I was a gallery >owner, I think I'd be somewhat impressed because this process is new, >requires an exacting >technique, and won't be easily duplicated by my brother in law with his >1280. > >Also you have to worry about the pace of progress in digital technology: > >If I buy this great inkjet print, maybe in a couple years the new Epson >70000 with its >4000dpi, 10 ink tanks, 1000 year pigments and enhanced diffusion dither will >allow Dan >to make *much* better prints. Hopefully, my 2002 print will keep its value >because it is >vintage :-) > >True, silver papers and processes evolve too, but nowhere as fast as digital >technology. > >Anyway, these are some thoughts. I hope I didn't offend anyone. 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Re: [Digital BW] Inkjet prints and galleries
2002-05-06 by Jean-Michel Paris
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