Digital BW, The Print

You make some good points, and reproducing a web image for your kitchen is a
small transgression but:

1. Presumably you would not want someone to attribute the crappy little
image to you as an example of your work (inadvertently or not) without being
sure the full context of its reproduction was included (e.g. Oh that, well
yes, that is an example of Ricardo Lagos' work ...)

2.  It is a slippery slope.  Where do you draw the line. If you could create
a 5x7 from your 800x600 is that ok?  What if someone came across a 1024x768?
What if they scanned in a print that was hanging in a friend's house.  It
may not be as good as the original but is that appropriate.

3.  Even if there is no 'real' harm,  isn't there a principle here as well.
If you enjoy an image enough to frame it and hang it in your house shouldn't
you pay for it?

Perhaps I'm was a little over the top.  Each person is going to have their
own view.  It's one of my hot buttons.

Kevin Gulstene


On 5/6/02 12:16 PM, "Ricardo Lagos" <ricardo@...> wrote:

> hmm .. i think that if someone takes a 640x480 image from the web --
> manipulates it, and prints it .. (to hang on their refrigerator) -- they
> willl get a print that is far below in quality from something that the
> original photographer might be selling
> 
> .. the kind of person that would print a low-res scan .. would not have
> otherwise bought the print from the photographer -- so i dont see where the
> income is lost (he was never part of the market) ..
> 
> .. if someone wants to enjoy a low-res, low quality print of one of my
> photographs -- more power to them ..
> 
> from  a 640x480  image -- at best you could make a 2x3 printout -- and you
> would also suffer from artifacts fromt he jpg compression... etc..
> 
> i've even posted 800x600 images -- which could print 4x3 -- (with the same
> problems of jpg compression) ..
> 
> .. the prints i'd like to sell are framed up to 16x20 -- the print itself is
> the range of 11x14 ...  quite a different product than a 2x3 or 4x3 print ..
> (and much better sharpness, tonal range, etc)
> 
> -- ricardo
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Gulstene" <kevin@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 11:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Image theft
> 
> 
>> I can't believe you really believe this.
>> 
>>> Hi Todd:
>>> 
>>> I don't believe it's illegal unless I try to sell them or even give
>>> them away.
>> This is wrong. It is illegal to use a copyright image for _any_ purpose
>> without the copyright owner's permission.  The only possible way this
> could
>> be legal is if you used the small image as part of a larger 'original
> work'
>> where the small image did not form a material or recognizable part.
>> 
>>> I'm just putting them up in my kitchen. It's no different
>>> than if I took my Edward Weston: 50 Years signed, slipcased
>>> monograph, and cut out those pictures to frame them.
>> 
>> The only way this is the same is if you stole the material you then cut
> up.
>> 
>>> I've seen people do it with Ansel Adams calendars.
>>> As long as it's for yourpersonal enjoyment and you are not depriving
>>> anyone of any income, it's not illegal.
>> 
>> You are depriving people of income by using their images without paying
> for
>> them. If you really believe this then I assume I am free to plaster my
> home
>> with the best quality reproductions I can achieve from the images you post
>> on your web site.
>> 
>>> I was just trying to make a point that even with low quality scans
>>> you can achieve a decent print (if you know what you're doing, of
>>> course).
>> I understand.
>>> 
>>> Rich
>>> 
>>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Todd Flashner <tflash@e...>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Rich
>>>> 
>>>> That's some pretty illegal stuff you're up to there. I wouldn't
>>> advertise it
>>>> so much if I were you.
>>>> 
>>>> Todd Flashner
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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