Digital BW, The Print

Kevin,You are not over the top. You are right on 
the money. (no pun intended). Any one who 
make their living selling photos should feel 
this way. Keep up the good fight.

Steve Schaefer


On Mon, 06 May 2002 13:19:56 -0700 Kevin 
Gulstene <kevin@...> wrote:





You make some good points, and 
reproducing a web image for your kitchen is a

small transgression but:


1. Presumably you would not want someone 
to attribute the crappy little

image to you as an example of your work 
(inadvertently or not) without being

sure the full context of its reproduction was 
included (e.g. Oh that, well

yes, that is an example of Ricardo Lagos' work 
...)


2.� It is a slippery slope.� Where 
do you draw the line. If you could create

a 5x7 from your 800x600 is that ok?� 
What if someone came across a 1024x768?

What if they scanned in a print that was 
hanging in a friend's house.� It

may not be as good as the original but is that 
appropriate.


3.� Even if there is no 'real' harm,� 
isn't there a principle here as well.

If you enjoy an image enough to frame it and 
hang it in your house shouldn't

you pay for it?


Perhaps I'm was a little over the top.� 
Each person is going to have their

own view.� It's one of my hot buttons.


Kevin Gulstene



On 5/6/02 12:16 PM, "Ricardo 
Lagos" <ricardo@...> 
wrote:


> hmm .. i think that if someone takes a 
640x480 image from the web --

> manipulates it, and prints it .. (to hang on 
their refrigerator) -- they

> willl get a print that is far below in quality 
from something that the

> original photographer might be selling

> 

> .. the kind of person that would print a 
low-res scan .. would not have

> otherwise bought the print from the 
photographer -- so i dont see where the

> income is lost (he was never part of the 
market) ..

> 

> .. if someone wants to enjoy a low-res, 
low quality print of one of my

> photographs -- more power to them ..

> 

> from� a 640x480� image -- at 
best you could make a 2x3 printout -- and you

> would also suffer from artifacts fromt he 
jpg compression... etc..

> 

> i've even posted 800x600 images -- which 
could print 4x3 -- (with the same

> problems of jpg compression) ..

> 

> .. the prints i'd like to sell are framed up to 
16x20 -- the print itself is

> the range of 11x14 ...� quite a 
different product than a 2x3 or 4x3 print ..

> (and much better sharpness, tonal range, 
etc)

> 

> -- ricardo

> 

> 

> 

> 

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "Kevin Gulstene" 
<kevin@...>

> To: 
<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogrou
ps.com>

> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 11:41 AM

> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Image theft

> 

> 

>> I can't believe you really believe this.

>> 

>>> Hi Todd:

>>> 

>>> I don't believe it's illegal unless I 
try to sell them or even give

>>> them away.

>> This is wrong. It is illegal to use a 
copyright image for _any_ purpose

>> without the copyright owner's 
permission.� The only possible way this

> could

>> be legal is if you used the small 
image as part of a larger 'original

> work'

>> where the small image did not form a 
material or recognizable part.

>> 

>>> I'm just putting them up in my 
kitchen. It's no different

>>> than if I took my Edward Weston: 
50 Years signed, slipcased

>>> monograph, and cut out those 
pictures to frame them.

>> 

>> The only way this is the same is if you 
stole the material you then cut

> up.

>> 

>>> I've seen people do it with Ansel 
Adams calendars.

>>> As long as it's for yourpersonal 
enjoyment and you are not depriving

>>> anyone of any income, it's not 
illegal.

>> 

>> You are depriving people of income by 
using their images without paying

> for

>> them. If you really believe this then I 
assume I am free to plaster my

> home

>> with the best quality reproductions I 
can achieve from the images you post

>> on your web site.

>> 

>>> I was just trying to make a point 
that even with low quality scans

>>> you can achieve a decent print (if 
you know what you're doing, of

>>> course).

>> I understand.

>>> 

>>> Rich

>>> 

>>> --- In 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Todd 
Flashner <tflash@e...>

>>> wrote:

>>>> Rich

>>>> 

>>>> That's some pretty illegal stuff 
you're up to there. I wouldn't

>>> advertise it

>>>> so much if I were you.

>>>> 

>>>> Todd Flashner

>>>> 

>>> 

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