Hello I've recently been trying out quite a bit of printing on an 1160 with Lyson Quad black inks. I thought that I'd post some of my thoughts, in the hope that they might be of interest to people thinking of trying them (or even to find that someone has solved some of the problems) Please feel free to comment (although not perhaps with the vigour of some recent topics on the list ... :-)) The Lyson QB range was relatively easy for me to obtain in the UK (an important feature) and they have helpful distributors a (local) phone call away. I was looking to produce B/W prints up to A3+ that I'd be happy to have on my wall at home. Images were scanned in from 35mm using a Canon FS4000, giving good quality scans at 4000 dpi and 14bit greyscale depth. All work on the files was carried out using Photoshop 6 on a Mac. Lyson recommend printing 8 bit RGB versions of the files with no colour adjustment, and with the print space set at GreyGamma 1.8 There are no paper profiles available from Lyson for the quad blacks on an 1160 (big hint perhaps from Lyson?). I used glossy film as the setting for Lyson 265g Satin Pro paper. I experimented with several other papers, but found that the Lyson paper could give very pleasing results. My first introduction to quad (neutral) black was something of a shock when I took a print from my daylight lit server/printer room through the house to my office. What looked fine, suddenly became very warm on the tungsten lit stairs. With more work though I have come to appreciate the smoothness of tones and slight warmth - with some subjects. Many of the negatives I worked on were landscape subjects which compared very well with some of my previous, rather contrasty 'real' prints. I would add that I've probably never had the patience to perfect my 'wet' printing, so perhaps this reflects more on my deficiencies in that area. While my artistic side was pleased with the misty Scottish lochs and sweeping vistas, the technical side was creating step wedges in Photoshop and trying them on different papers and settings. I posted some queries (excerpt below) about Lyson QB some time ago, but the lack of response led me to think that either I was the only one using them, or that the problems I mentioned were peculiar to my set-up (maybe it was a slack day and nobody read much on the group :-)) >Looking at a 95/96/97/98/100 wedge. Each division is clear, but there appears >to be a larger step in density between 97% and 98% such that from normal >viewing distances the wedge looks to be only two tones. This showed in one >image as slight posterisation of a shadow area. I¹ve tried some adjustment >curves, but that step is very difficult to smooth. This effect is present to >some extent on all papers I tried. This problem with the blacks on my printer actually makes some images look quite dreadful, but in looking into it I¹ve learnt a lot about Photoshop, inks, paper and print drivers. The most favoured explanation is the lack of a paper profile and the Epson driver being rather abrupt in its decision as to when to lay down black ink. I could get a custom profile I suppose, but I simply do not have the money for such experimentation (not that I begrudge the cost of the work, I just don¹t have that sort of money spare) Adjustment curves and workflows just don¹t seem to hack it. One technique that might be of use to some, where you have a few dark shadows that are standing out as too black: using Photoshop: 1 use the magic wand to select all 0,0,0 pixels with a tolerance of 2-5 2 copy these pixels to a new layer 3 use a levels layer on the dark pixels to raise the black point by 5-8 4 add 1-2% uniform noise to the dark pixel layer This has the effect of adding in a bit of diffusion in to the dark pixel areas and killing off the posterisation. The values in the steps above vary with the subject matter, for example isolated black pixels do not cause problems so I tend to get rid of them in the dark pixel¹ layer. Any other ways of doing this gratefully accepted I now have numerous nice prints about the house and have even sold a few to friends ( I¹m out of work at the moment, so I have to pay for the ink and paper somehow ;-)) The QB ink set has enabled me to produce prints of some- negatives that I am happy with, but several that just don¹t work. Having just received some samples from a Lyson distributor of prints on an 1160 using the small gamut ink set, I¹ve a cartridge of it ready to test when the QB runs out, it has- paper profiles and it currently outsells QB by quite some margin. Perhaps QB has a relatively limited lifetime ahead of it? If anyone uses QB and wants to discuss it off list, please feel free to drop me a line. <k.a.cooper@...> For example does anyone know of an inexpensive (moneywise - not time and effort) way for me to produces a paper profile? Bye for now Keith Cooper, Leicester, England
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Lyson QB, some recent observations and impressions
2002-05-09 by Keith Cooper
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