Digital BW, The Print

Thanks for that answer Darren,

You are the only one that dared to take this up - nice of You!

I have now been in contact with other photclubs - but negative -
it's some sort of a feeling from their side "we are loosing control".

The wast majority here - is somewhat looking at it as - "the computer 
does the job"...."It is't fair"....."How can I compete with that".

I have earlier stated that every picture (I use that word here!) 
schould and must be regarded as superior to the method of getting it!
And - there I am!

I do not think I'm alone - at least in Europe! We are plenty - if 
taken the "quad" community in whole!
 
However I have a feeling that this a general question and ought to be 
discussed - how to handle this issue????

In other artforms this kind of questions is not a big issue!
I also do some designing and drawings - there we not even discuss the 
paper - we buy the best - period!

Is it so - that *the* photographing and it's workflows stopped in the 
thirties - and not even the roaring "1968" did schange that.

Did photography and picture making stop with Anselm Adams etc....???

I have a bad feeling in my stomach.....that the history of 
photography has some *stops* - and that tradisional photographing 
is defending itself - in a way not seen in any other artform???

While digital photography is on the whole internet and accepted and 
given headlines - the way to reach a *good* picture by film and a
3000$ scanner and "carbon or color pigment" is not accepted for the 
artists using an Epson to print it and put it in public places.

Is just for the journalism to get it printed in the papers - or those 
chutting up and do the "show" to be accepted in the big run.

We all here talk about longlivity of papers , wich method curves vs 
Cone - but nonone telling the problems and acceptance of our methods!
Ok I have had worse things than cloggs - greenies etc etc

But how do *You* handle it - when it comes to presentations of *Your* 
pictures - when they ask for *Your* workflows to reach that *Very* 
picture!

Help me to get rid of that feeling in my stomach - and not to be 
placed among those pictures placed in "experimental photographing"!

Is it only You Darren that had an positive responce to answer this 
questions.

Or did we bed for it - by having "photo contests"?
The more "suger" the better photo?

Help!!!!



Bo Wrangborg
Moderator of "Minolta Multi Pro Forum" at Yahoo!
MF-photographer 55++ years old.
Sweden


 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Darren Collins" 
<collinda@n...> wrote:
> Your experience is very different from mine, here in Australia. I 
know many
> people who enter international photo competitions with A3+ inkjet 
prints.
> All our local clubs put them up with the 'silver' photos for 
judging - in
> fact, many judges can't even tell which photos are digital and 
which are
> chemical.
> 
> The only rules I know of are that photos in Nature and 
Photojournalism
> categories can't have major manipulations done to them. 
Colour/contrast
> correction and spot removal is OK, but moving a tree or cloning out 
power
> lines is not OK. But I haven't heard anyone ever complain about 
inkjet
> prints in a competition - if they did, we would just get our 
digital files
> printed photographically anyway!
> 
> Here's a great page from the Australian Federation of Camera Clubs:
> 
http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~parsog/FCC/generalinfo.html#competition
> 
> Hope this helps you educate your clubs!
> 
> Darren.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> Hollo Digital Eyes,
> 
> I'm truly in this "business" Piezo, Curves , pigmented color, and 
Dye,
> I'm happy with it..My hasselblades and my three Epson 1290's (1280 
in 
> US) and my minolta multi pro etc MF scanner!
> 
> However I am honest and in my photoclubs now I am regarded as 
> an "experimental photographer" - I made certainly good prints on 
the 
> epsons.
> 
> *But* I left those lovely photoclubs of mine - as I was only 
allowed 
> to be in the corner of "experimental photoes" - and I can't and 
have 
> no power left to defend my photoes ("Epson experimental print - 
that 
> is!!!???)
> 
> At start I did say nothing - just put them in the B/W and color-
> section - and did *very* *very* good --UNTIL I told them my 
technics -
> and that was nothing odd about it - about the same job as in the 
> darkroom - ahh .. you know all this!
> 
> Being member of two Photoclubs - suddenly they told me to keep the 
> groups in competision or exhibition "CLEAN" - that is that I was 
put 
> in the corner as an "experimental photographer" in the "left 
corner".
> 
> I'm now a passive member of those clubs doing it on my own - and 
plan 
> to make my own exhibitions in the future. If I have the power to do 
> that alone....Most of You certainly know the job with that.
> By being a passiv member I contribute anyhow to yhe "youngsters" 
and 
> others interested in the *PICTURE*.
> 
> What do You feel - is all photography to be "cleaned out" in silver 
> only and true "wet" darkroom colorphotoes?
> 
> I have a wet darkroom but mostly now for developing films and 
helping 
> my teenagers to learn "photography" as my father tuoght me!
> 
> In a sence I feel they are right - if only the "technic" and 
material 
> used are the main factor....but stop....hmmmm...the *pic*??????
> 
> But for me - there has been only one thing the whole time - the 
> *picture* - and that *picture* shall be placed under the technic 
> used - any time.
> 
> OK - before that - I was also against any photocompetision!
> No art can compete!
> Wich one is best Mozart, Bethoven, Beatles ..etc..thing??? For me 
it 
> like placing the art of *picture* under other expressive arts. It 
> make photographing rediculuos compared to other artforms.
> But that's another issue - however as important as 
the "experimental 
> shelf" as I was put into.
> 
> Some photoclubs near Copenhagen???? - that can take me for an 
> ordinary photographer ( I live in Sweden but has only two hours to 
> get there!)
> 
> I'm 55++ and have done film as well - and have temper and a will to 
> express myself through the *picture* still or moving!
> I also do drawings! Nothing there is "experimental" for sure.
> 
> Are not this photclubs doing the art of picture - ridiculous???
> Lowering the common feeling for a *picture* taken by an 
photographer!
> 
> Fiat Lux (Let There be Light!)
> 
> Regards
> Bo Wrangborg
> Moderator of just openened Minolta Multi Pro Yahoo group
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/multipro 
> WBG-film
> Sweden
> 
> 
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