Digital BW, The Print

Well said Martin.  Honestly I'm rather tired of testing inks and am looking
forward to settling down into my new 7000 with Piezotones in it and getting
some serious printing done this summer.  But more power to Paul and others
who will undoubtedly take on the challenge of trying to sort out the pros
and cons of the various ink sets.  After spending a month with them, there
is no doubt that the Piezotones are the best all around quad ink set made
yet...but as we know this is a moving target.

Robert

PS  I'll be off list for the next week...I'm headed north to shoot.

On 6/12/02 11:26 PM, "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@...> wrote:

> Robert,
> 
> Looking at the two images (yeah you do have to be a member of the Piezo list
> to use the URL, which I recommend to everyone here who is not already) in
> Photoshop, they both exhibit warming and fading. Zooming in and using the
> "Info" panel you can get some idea of the red shift and the density change.
> Checking the deep black of the chair well under the desk, the black density
> of both has shifted a bit but not as much as the mid tones. You need some
> step wedges and density readings to compare the two ink sets. The PiezoTone
> is holding up much better than the FS in this test. I suspect the positions
> might be reversed in a comparison to the very cool, special order,
> Neutral-FS. (Too cold for my tastes.)
> 
> It is difficult to tell for sure from a low-res scan on the web but it looks
> like the FS print's area that was not exposed to the light, is cooler than
> the unexposed area of the PiezoTone print. My own experience was that the FS
> was the warmer ink out of the printer. I think that we need to keep in mind
> that people seem to be getting different results using the same materials
> indicating that there may be a lot of printer to printer variation.
> 
> We really need a nice controlled 8 way warm/fade comparison test between
> MIS-FS, MIS-FS Neutral, MIS-VM, MIS-Sepia VM, Piezo, PiezoTone WN, PT
> Selenium and PT Cool Neutral. Then of course we have to keep in mind that
> the results may vary with different ink/paper combinations. I also wish we
> had an empirical measure of metamerism which I think is more of an issue
> than the warming in many cases. We will each have to make our own
> compromises and pick the one that suits us best. It is very good to see the
> manufacturers working to upgrade their products and add to the options
> available. As an end user I feel like I am in a much, much better position
> than I was 12 months ago!
> 
> Martin Wesley
> http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Morrison" <rmorrison@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 9:58 PM
> Subject: [Digital BW] PiezoTone vs. MIS FS warming
> 
> 
>> For those that didn't see this on the piezo list, below is a post from Jon
>> Cone with a URL to get to a scan of a 100 hour Xenon fade of the
> Piezotones
>> vs. the MIS FS inks.  You  may need to be a member of the piezo3000 list
> to
>> be able to access the URL...I'm not sure.  It shows that the Piezotones
> warm
>> much less than the MIS FS set.  It is very difficult to judge from this
>> image whether there are any density differences at this point.
>> 
>> Robert
>> 
>> ------ Forwarded Message
>> From: Jon Cone <piezobw@...>
>> Reply-To: piezography3000@yahoogroups.com
>> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:50:06 -0500
>> To: piezography3000@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [piezoBW] PiezoTone inks and MIS-FS inks in 100 hour Xenon fade
>> test
>> 
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/piezography3000/files/100hr-Xenon-Tests/
>> 
>> In the folder above are images of the results of 100 hours of Xenon Arc
>> testing on both the new PiezoTone WN inks and the MIS-FS inks on
> Hahnemuhle
>> photo rag. The rapid warm fade of the MIS-FS inks is very obvious by
>> comparison. While I am not trying to stir up any MIS vs Piezography
> debates,
>> I did want to demonstrate what we believe is a vast improvement to inks
>> which Piezography users have the choice of using.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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