Digital BW, The Print

Austin Franklin wrote:

> 
> That's a dubious statement at best.  Do you mean it has detail in the
> shadows and highlights?  

Of course it has!!

So what?  That's tonality, not image detail, and
> has nothing to do with resolution.

???? HUH?

Who cares what it is? The pictures look great !!!
> 
> > The D60 is better than the D30
> > at both. The images are as sharp as I'll ever need or want them up to 20
> > inches. (with the D60). They will easily equal film. You say they won't.
> 
> No, I KNOW they simply don't at larger enlargements.  You're right, at huge enlargements, you win.

But they DO up to 20 inches, and that's all I ever want.

 They DO at smaller
> enlargements, where the higher resolution of the film is not apparent.
> 
> > I have them side by side and say they will. they do.
> 
> You have lousy film or are looking at small prints then.

Provia is not lousy film, and I'm looking at 18 inch prints.
> 
> > I'm of course talking about maximum sharpened digital
> > images. I sharpen as much as I can get without showing any artifacts.
> 
> Why?  That reduces tonality.  Not EVERYTHING is "sharp".  I think you
> somehow believe sharpness is good, it isn't necessarily, and can in fact
> degrade the actual image. Yes. A soft focus high key image looks better in soft focus.  And high key.

Not my images. Maybe Your images.  Of course I'm talking about that
which should BE sharp. out of focus areas are out of focus. I'm not
concerned about their sharpness!

> > I'm 100 percent satisfied with my D 60 images
> > to 20 inches.

> That's good for you!  And that's what matters to YOU, but I am not happy
> with them at all above 8x10. 

That's amazing. And you say you have made a good inkjet print from a D60
using 
epson 's 1280 printer? And if you go over 8x10 inches, the image gets
less sharp? 

We really DO have to agree to disagree.

They are every bit as sharp at 18 inches as they are at 8x10.
> 
> > They absolutely equal provia scanned film at 4000 DPI.
> 
> Some images probably do, but a lot of digital images will be lacking in
> detail when put side by side with a film image.  This is of course, talking
> larger than 8x10.

SOME images will. Yes. 

IF
> > you haven't actually tried this with the D60 and an Epson 1280,
> 
> I have.

> Film is still better for enlargements larger than 8x10, and for a lot of
> 8x10s too...

You are wrong. Period. :) We will simply have to agree to disagree.

If you can get a sharper image from a DARKROOM Print at 8x10 from
provia, than I can get from that same image taken on a D60 and printed
the way I print at the same size, I'll buy you lunch at the most
expensive place in Grand Forks. :)  'Course I don't have to ever worry
about that, as it just ain't gonna happen.

Jerry 
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