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Re: [Digital BW] Canon D60 Question

2002-07-25 by Jerry Olson

Bob, I know this is very weird, but if I have a 40 or so MG file, my
larger prints are always sharper than my small ones. A 13 or 15 inch
print is always sharper and more detailed than an 8x10. This assumes a
300 or 360 DPI file resolution at the output size.

In fact, a 4x5 print is nowhere near as detailed and sharp as a 12 inch
print. Is this normal?

The only thing a 2280 print does as far as I can tell, is it enhances
the deep black on a black and white print from the 1280. I'm getting
incredible blacks from this setting, along with the "Photo Paper"
setting. 

In fact, With a generations profile from CD Tobie, I am getting brighter
and much more accurate colors from my 1160 that I can get from the 1280.
This is very strange.  I would have expected epson's dye inks to be
noticeably brighter than the generations with profile, but they aren't.

I've tried a couple dozen different settings on the 1280, including all
the media settings, and most of the built in epson profiles, and
although the 1280 prints are smoother than the 1160, the colors are
brighter and more appealing with the generations inks.  This is all on
EAM and Photo Matte Papers, and the results are consistent from paper to
paper, printer to printer. I had another 1280 printer that died right
out of warranty, and when I used the color inks that came with it, I can
see that they were brighter than the current 1280 set. 

As usual, I have no idea what's going on here, except I intend to get
another Generations/Niagra II CIS for the 1280 when my current epson
inks run out.


Jerry



Bob Frost wrote:
> 
> Hi Jerry,
> 
> Daring to dip a toe in these turbulent waters, I was interested in some
> other results of Norman Koren with a 1270. He measured the sharpness of the
> printer at a range of magnifications of printing, and found that up to about
> 8x10 the sharpness of the print is limited by the printer's capabilities.
> That is why the 1280/90 will give slightly sharper prints up to this size if
> you use 2880 dpi instead of the 1440 of the 1270.
> 
> But at about 8x10 the ultimate sharpness of the printer was reached, and in
> prints above this size the sharpness was purely dependant on the sharpness
> of the camera.
> 
> So, summing up, in prints at 8x10 and below, you may see no differences
> between a sharp image and a not-so-sharp one, because the printer is the
> limiting factor. In prints above 8x10, the differences in the image
> sharpness take over and become more apparent.
> 
> Bob Frost
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...>
> 
> >
> > That's amazing. And you say you have made a good inkjet print from a D60
> > using
> > epson 's 1280 printer? And if you go over 8x10 inches, the image gets
> > less sharp?
> >
> > We really DO have to agree to disagree.
> >
> > They are every bit as sharp at 18 inches as they are at 8x10.
> > >
> > > > They absolutely equal provia scanned film at 4000 DPI.
> > >
> > > Some images probably do, but a lot of digital images will be lacking in
> > > detail when put side by side with a film image.  This is of course,
> talking
> > > larger than 8x10.
> >
> > SOME images will. Yes.
> >
> > IF
> > > > you haven't actually tried this with the D60 and an Epson 1280,
> > >
> > > I have.
> >
> > > Film is still better for enlargements larger than 8x10, and for a lot of
> > > 8x10s too...
> >
> > You are wrong. Period. :) We will simply have to agree to disagree.
> 
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