There is a group for d100's
I have one and am very happy with it.
Buy USA only.
Shoot everything with NEF files rather than JPG or tif.
(having the computer do the processing rather than the camera makes a REAL
difference- they are sharper and have better color.
Use good lenses.
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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Scanning Negatives And Getting Everything...
From: "qdfb" <qdb@...>
2. Re: Premature page eject with B&W printing
From: "pouty_bob" <pouty_bob@...>
3. Re: 1280 feeding problem
From: "tomoc" <TomOC@...>
4. Re: Nikon D100
From: Michael A. Schwarz <ms@...>
5. Re: Scanning Negatives And Getting Everything...
From: "royvharrington" <roy@...>
6. Re: Scanning Negatives And Getting Everything...
From: "lawrencetrek" <ltitle@...>
7. Re: Scanning Negatives And Getting Everything...
From: Jerry Olson <jerryolson@...>
8. Re: Premature page eject with B&W printing
From: Jerry Olson <jerryolson@...>
9. Re: Re: 1280 feeding problem
From: Jerry Olson <jerryolson@...>
10. Espson 1280 vs. 2200
From: "mike_goff" <mike_goff@...>
11. Re: Imageprint now available @inkjetmall
From: Robert Morrison <rmorrison@...>
12. Re: What equipment were the Piezo Tone samples done with
From: daschkenas@...
13. printer
From: "gentlelens" <ternahan@...>
14. Re[2]: What equipment were the Piezo Tone samples done with
From: Richard Sintchak <richard@...>
15. Re: Re[2]: What equipment were the Piezo Tone samples donewith
From: daschkenas@...
16. Re[4]: What equipment were the Piezo Tone samples donewith
From: Richard Sintchak <richard@...>
17. Sundance Inks and the R9 Plug-In
From: "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@...>
18. paper profile
From: "borismg" <mgkless@...>
19. paper profile
From: "borismg" <mgkless@...>
20. Re: Espson 1280 vs. 2200
From: "lawrencetrek" <ltitle@...>
21. Re: Clogged Epson 1280
From: "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@...>
22. Re: printer
From: "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@...>
23. Re: Clogged Epson 1280
From: "Ricardo Lagos" <ricardo@...>
24. Re: paper profile
From: "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@...>
25. Re: Espson 1280 vs. 2200
From: "johnvphoto" <johnnyv@...>
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:23:32 -0000
From: "qdfb" <qdb@...>
Subject: Re: Scanning Negatives And Getting Everything...
You might also try posting this message on the ScanHi-End list:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ScanHi-End/
--
Quentin
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "nedbuntline2002"
<jon.judson@v...> wrote:
> I have a Scanmaker 4 with trays for 4X5 and 35mm negatives. When
> trying to scan images with detail in shadow areas, the resulting
> image shows none of this information. Instead, I get straight
> black. Curve adjustment in the Twain package doesn't seem to bring
> very much of that detail out.
>
> I'm still a little new to using this scanner with my negatives. Is
> there something I can do to capture all of this information for
> manipulation in PhotoShop? Is the detail really there already and
I
> just don't know it (or how to access it)? I would like to get into
> printing digitally, but need to get over this immediate hurdle
first.
>
> Thanks.
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:25:49 -0000
From: "pouty_bob" <pouty_bob@...>
Subject: Re: Premature page eject with B&W printing
Howdy Jerry,
I have 768Megs of ram (and it's a 3-year-old G4) but only 200 of it
allocated to photoshop. I'll try that increase as well as tripling
the driver's amount.
it doesn't spit the print out early, it keeps on going, just no ink
flow after the first inch or so..!
at first I thought the large prints were consuming loads of ink, and
I really could only get 5 Super A3s from the cartridge. but it has
happened twice right after fresh ink was installed. and not to bring
superstition into the mix, but my 13th print took four tries!!!
and there was a strange connection to my success with a game I was
playing on my pc while waiting... during those first four print
attempts, I lost very quickly, but when I started out strong on the
fifth game, I noticed the print coming nicely through the printer!!!
probably coincidence, but that's what I noticed...
now that's a-dot-iotic!!!
Tom
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
<jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> Hi Tom,
>
> Both.
>
> How much RAM have you on your computer? I have a GIG and it is
not too much.
>
> I give Photoshop 750,000 Megabytes
>
> I have increased the epson monitor 3 application by 3 times the
> recommended amount.
>
> This is only one reason why this could be happening, especially if
you
> are really short on memory. Memory is unbelieveably cheap right
now, go
> get some!
>
> However, I can't see memory problems causing print quality decline.
And
> you wouldn't think that cleaning it would have anything to do with
it
> spitting out the print before it was finished. And how could you get
> total clogging so fast?
>
> However, as a last resort, this usually works for cleaning: Squirt
> about 5ml ammonia/water solution (1:9) directly into the nipples of
the
> print head. Do a few cleanings and see if it does the trick. It may
> take 2 or 3 times to get all the clogged up ink dissolved, it took 2
> applications for me, but it DID work.
>
>
> jerry
>
> pouty_bob wrote:
> >
> > Howdy Jer (and All..!),
> >
> > I have a similar problem with my 2000p from a Mac G4... after 4
or 5
> > 13x19 prints, print quality either goes to hell, or the page
> > continues through the printer, getting no ink but for the initial
> > inch or so that fades to nothing...
> >
> > a head cleaning usually fixes it, but the inconvenience sucks!
> >
> > if it's a memory problem, do you mean more ram in general or just
> > more devoted to the epson driver..?
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > I know of one reason it does this, Are you sure you have enough
> > memory?
> > > Other than that, I don't know.
> > >
> > > Jer
> > >
> > > Ken Carney wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I hate it when that happens.
> > > >
> > > > >>The printer starts normally, but the back-and-forth
> > > > rhythm of the print heads gets gradually slower, there are a
few
> > > > stops and starts, and then the page ejects with only about a
> > linear
> > > > inch or two of printing on it.<<
> > > >
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:26:26 -0000
From: "tomoc" <TomOC@...>
Subject: Re: 1280 feeding problem
That's the draw back to all of the fine art papers on desktop
printers... They are "dusty" and gunk up the feed mechanism and print
heads if you don't do a little maintanence as you go...a few extra
nozzle checks and cleaning cycles and occasionally run alternate
paper through...the old epson list had some other tricks for cleaning
paper feeds if you really get into a jam (list is dead but still
searchable).
Tom O'Connell
TomOC@...
www.thomasoconnell.com
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "janishilesh"
<shilesh.jani@s...> wrote:
> Barry,
>
> I too have often had such problems when using thick papers like PR
> 308 gsm, and BC Satine 300 gsm. The coating seem to slip, and the
> feed mechanism does not get enough traction. I jsut turn the
printer
> off for a while, and then feed epson photogloss (not the premium
one)
> through the system. Tacky papers such as HP gloss also works well.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Shilesh
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "bggilliand2001"
> <bgilliand@m...> wrote:
> > Just finished a run of about 50 sheets of 11x17 308g photorag and
> now
> > my 1280 refuses to feed paper of any sort. It just keeps trying
to
> > feed and then times out with "error to printer" message. I've got
a
> > support behind the last sheet of paper, and I've tried to print
> with
> > and without the feed support. Any suggestions? Any way to get
> > more "grip" on the paper. Thanks
> >
> > Barry Gilliand
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:46:47 -0400
From: Michael A. Schwarz <ms@...>
Subject: Re: Nikon D100
>Subject: Nikon D100
>
>All,
>
>I'm getting a new camera, and I'm leaning toward the Nikon D100. I
>noticed that several dealers offer US and non-US cameras. The non US
>are much less money. What are the "cons" of getting one of the non-US
>Nikons? Any other advise (especially lenses) for multi-purpose work
>is much appreciated.
Do not buy a gray market digital camera. Period. Digital cameras are
much more likely to need "tweaking" or warranty work than non-digital
cameras. You may find a hard time getting the camera repaired even if it
is out of the warranty period.
I used the D100 on an assignment for the first time yesterday. It is a
fantastic camera. Light, quiet, beautiful files. I shot at iso 1250 and
the files were gorgeous. You will love it. If I could offer one piece of
advice it would be to take advantage of the pre-set white balance
function. It will give you much better color rendition than auto wb or
any of the other wb's.
Michael A. Schwarz
Corporate, Editorial and Documentary Photojournalism
www.michaelschwarz.com
ms@...
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:09:41 -0000
From: "royvharrington" <roy@...>
Subject: Re: Scanning Negatives And Getting Everything...
Just this last week there was a thread going about scanning
as positives and then inverting later on.
I had exactly the same problem scanning with an Epson 1600,
no matter what adjustments I did the shadow detail was gone.
The simple change of scanning as a positive made all the
difference.
Its just a software issue -- it makes some wrong assumptions
about B&W negatives. Scanning as a positive changes the
builtin assumptions.
Whether this will work with your scanner I really can't tell but
its worth a try.
Roy
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "nedbuntline2002"
<jon.judson@v...> wrote:
> I have a Scanmaker 4 with trays for 4X5 and 35mm negatives.
When
> trying to scan images with detail in shadow areas, the
resulting
> image shows none of this information. Instead, I get straight
> black. Curve adjustment in the Twain package doesn't seem
to bring
> very much of that detail out.
>
> I'm still a little new to using this scanner with my negatives. Is
> there something I can do to capture all of this information for
> manipulation in PhotoShop? Is the detail really there already
and I
> just don't know it (or how to access it)? I would like to get into
> printing digitally, but need to get over this immediate hurdle
first.
>
> Thanks.
________________________________________________________________________
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:13:44 -0000
From: "lawrencetrek" <ltitle@...>
Subject: Re: Scanning Negatives And Getting Everything...
>I get straight black. Curve adjustment in the Twain package doesn't seem
to
>bring very much of that detail out.
As others have reported similar problems, I usually scan my B&W negatives
as color positives to get the maximal tonal information and then invert and
desaturate in Photoshop. Many have described this method, and it seems to
work well with my limited scanning expertise.
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:38:16 -0500
From: Jerry Olson <jerryolson@...>
Subject: Re: Scanning Negatives And Getting Everything...
What quality range is this scanner? If it is one of the under $400
bunch, you can't expect to get professional results in the deep shadows,
especially if this is a flatbed scanner. The cheaper ones just don't
have the needed density range. If it is a high quality scanner, one of
the many settings may be wrong. I know on mine there are so many
different settings it can drive you nuts. And if just one of the
important ones are off, it can throw off your scan quality a lot! Do you
use a profile with the scanner? This can make a difference too.
Jerry
nedbuntline2002 wrote:
>
> I have a Scanmaker 4 with trays for 4X5 and 35mm negatives. When
> trying to scan images with detail in shadow areas, the resulting
> image shows none of this information. Instead, I get straight
> black. Curve adjustment in the Twain package doesn't seem to bring
> very much of that detail out.
>
> I'm still a little new to using this scanner with my negatives. Is
> there something I can do to capture all of this information for
> manipulation in PhotoShop? Is the detail really there already and I
> just don't know it (or how to access it)? I would like to get into
> printing digitally, but need to get over this immediate hurdle first.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
>
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:43:22 -0500
From: Jerry Olson <jerryolson@...>
Subject: Re: Premature page eject with B&W printing
Hi Bob,
Well, if anything, you should notice a marked improvement with
photoshops speed at doing everyday tasks! Can't understand how you could
be getting clogs so fast, especially all inks at the same time.
Hopefully, somebody else who has experienced the problem will be able to
chime in here.
Jerry
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:44:16 -0500
From: Jerry Olson <jerryolson@...>
Subject: Re: Re: 1280 feeding problem
And you can always brush or wipe the papers down before printing. This
really helps on papers that tend to flake a lot.
jerry
tomoc wrote:
>
> That's the draw back to all of the fine art papers on desktop
> printers... They are "dusty" and gunk up the feed mechanism and print
> heads if you don't do a little maintanence as you go...a few extra
> nozzle checks and cleaning cycles and occasionally run alternate
> paper through...the old epson list had some other tricks for cleaning
> paper feeds if you really get into a jam (list is dead but still
> searchable).
>
> Tom O'Connell
>
> TomOC@...
> www.thomasoconnell.com
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "janishilesh"
> <shilesh.jani@s...> wrote:
> > Barry,
> >
> > I too have often had such problems when using thick papers like PR
> > 308 gsm, and BC Satine 300 gsm. The coating seem to slip, and the
> > feed mechanism does not get enough traction. I jsut turn the
> printer
> > off for a while, and then feed epson photogloss (not the premium
> one)
> > through the system. Tacky papers such as HP gloss also works well.
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
> > Shilesh
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "bggilliand2001"
> > <bgilliand@m...> wrote:
> > > Just finished a run of about 50 sheets of 11x17 308g photorag and
> > now
> > > my 1280 refuses to feed paper of any sort. It just keeps trying
> to
> > > feed and then times out with "error to printer" message. I've got
> a
> > > support behind the last sheet of paper, and I've tried to print
> > with
> > > and without the feed support. Any suggestions? Any way to get
> > > more "grip" on the paper. Thanks
> > >
> > > Barry Gilliand
>
>
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
>
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:46:52 -0000
From: "mike_goff" <mike_goff@...>
Subject: Espson 1280 vs. 2200
Hi,
I'd like to pick up where a previous thread (Comparison of PiezoTones
vs. Epson 2200) left off. I'm about to dive into the whole quad-tone
process, and I'm trying to decide between the Epson 1280 & 2200. I
didn't see any strong opinions in the previous thread about the print
quality of PiezoTones vs. Epson's new inks (except for Carl
Schofield's article comparing MIS VM inks). So, I'm asking again. Are
there opinions from folks who have tried both the PiezoTone inks and
the 2200?
I've had some prints made of my work on an Epson 3000 with the
original PiezographyBW inks on Photo Rag paper, and I loved them.
Therefore I think I would be perfectly happy with PiezoTones & the
1280. However, the ability to do arbitrary tinting of monochromatic
images with software like Imageprint 5.0 is hard to resist.
Opinions, suggestions?
thanks,
Mike
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:52:04 -0700
From: Robert Morrison <rmorrison@...>
Subject: Re: Imageprint now available @inkjetmall
On 8/28/02 3:04 AM, "qdfb" <qdb@...> wrote:
> If it is "exclusive" it should be different in some way from
> ImagePrint 5, unless I suppose a mono only version is what
> is "exclusive"
Good thinking...
> Furthermore, the now-abandoned Piezography 2 *was* a version of
> ImagePrint.
That's right...:-)
Robert
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:23:26 -0400
From: daschkenas@...
Subject: Re: What equipment were the Piezo Tone samples done with
I, too, just received my piezo tone samples on PR from Inkjet Mall. I must
say they are very impressive, much better than the original Piezo ink
samples they sent last year.
As others have asked, Does anyone know what printer / rip combo produced
these samples. And if you're listening Digital Dog, how do these new Piezo
tone samples compare with the ultrachromes and IP5.
David Aschkenas
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:25:36 -0000
From: "gentlelens" <ternahan@...>
Subject: printer
Help...my epson 2000P won't believe that I have put in new cartridges
(epson,
really)...the light won't go off....yes I have tried different
cartrideges...any
ideas?
Thanks in advance!
trish
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:26:34 -0700
From: Richard Sintchak <richard@...>
Subject: Re[2]: What equipment were the Piezo Tone samples done with
Wednesday, August 28, 2002, 1:23:26 PM, daschkenas@... wrote:
dac> I, too, just received my piezo tone samples on PR from Inkjet Mall. I
must say they are very impressive, much better than the original Piezo ink
samples they sent last year.
dac> As others have asked, Does anyone know what printer / rip combo
produced these samples. And if you're listening Digital Dog, how do these
new Piezo tone samples compare with the ultrachromes and
dac> IP5.
dac> David Aschkenas
I asked them by phone which printer they used for their samples and
they said it was an Epson 10000.
Best regards,
Richard
mailto:richard@...
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:15:45 -0400
From: daschkenas@...
Subject: Re: Re[2]: What equipment were the Piezo Tone samples donewith
Richard, did they say if they used a rip?
David Aschkenas
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:25:55 -0700
From: Richard Sintchak <richard@...>
Subject: Re[4]: What equipment were the Piezo Tone samples donewith
Wednesday, August 28, 2002, 2:15:45 PM, daschkenas@... wrote:
dac> Richard, did they say if they used a rip?
dac> David Aschkenas
Sorry, this was weeks ago when I got my Piezo sample in the mail. I
did not ask about a RIP.
Best regards,
Richard
mailto:richard@...
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:40:48 -0700
From: "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@...>
Subject: Sundance Inks and the R9 Plug-In
Since Digital Art Supplies announced that they would be selling the Sundance
inks and the R9 plugin there has been speculation as to what was going on.
For those who don't know, the original Piezo inks and the PiezoBW plugin
were developed by Sundance and R9 respectively and then, as I understand it,
an exclusive marketing arrangement was made with ConeTech to distribute the
ink and software under the Piezo label. Apparently that arrangement is now
at an end and Sundance is marketing their products through other channels.
Questions have been raised as to just who is Sundance, even though most of
us have used their products we are not familiar with the company. I and
others have wondered on list as to the future of Sundance and their
products, how will they supply customer support, why are Sundance products
showing up on eBay, etc.
Hiram French of Sundance contacted me off-list about these issues and we
spoke on the phone. From him I got a good sense that Sundance is committed
to continuing to market their existing products, providing support and
introducing new products. I encouraged him to post on the list and join some
of the other manufacturers and distributor such as Crane Papers, Lincoln
Inks, InkJetGoodies, MWords, Hawk Mountain Papers who have been active
participants from time to time. Participation, product announcements,
promotions and other input from the people who supply us with tools and
materials are always welcome.
Below you will find a message from Hiram who asked me to post it so that
Sundance does not appear to have arrived on the list unannounced or
uninvited. I think that Sundance is a company that will continue to bring
some very interesting developments to world of digital B&W printing, just as
they have done in the past.
Martin Wesley
From Hiram French, Sundance Image Technology, Inc.:
Sundance Imaging Technology, Inc. the developer of the original "Piezography
BW Quadtone Inks" will continue to manufacture and sell these inks under the
brand name "Sundance NW, Neutral Warm Quadtone Inks". Our marketing plan is
to sell these inks through a number of sales channels including an eBay
store, Internet resellers and direct photographic dealers. We feel eBay has
become a very effective worldwide marketing channel and will be key in
growing the market for our products. Our new website Bwguys.com explains our
approach and provides how technical support needs will be met. We are
choosing our new dealers carefully and based heavily on their ability to
provide customer support. Keep in mind that the same personnel that trained
and supported Cone Editions the past two years will be training and
supporting the new dealer channel. You will also find background information
about Sundance and R9 Corporation on the website so we will not repeat
everything in this message.
In addition to the Sundance NW Ink we have also developed a Sundance NC
"Neutral Cool" Ink set. Our ink chemists have taken advantage of experience
gained over the past three years and have developed an ink that provides
exceptional light stability with a cooler overall tone. This new ink is
currently available in Epson 1280 cartridges and will soon be available in
bottles and other cartridges.
All Sundance inks are marketed for use with the R9 software including
profiles for over 50 different papers. This combination gives the user the
ability to generate the highest quality of print with the least amount of
image manipulation. We also sell the R9 software separately for the
experimentally oriented user with the following disclaimer:
"The R9 software comes with ICQ profiles for the supported printers, ink
sets, and media listed on the www.bwguys.com. website. Using the R9 software
with a B&W Printing System that has not been calibrated may produce results
that are superior to other technologies currently available. However, the R9
Technology will not perform to its maximum capability when used with
unsupported inks or media and may not perform as intended".
If anyone would like to discuss Sundance products directly with us we an be
reached via email, info@.... Or sundanceimaging@....
Regards,
Hiram French
Sundance Image Technology, Inc.
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:57:33 -0000
From: "borismg" <mgkless@...>
Subject: paper profile
Does anyone have or know of a curve/profile for Luminos classic
velvet paper? I have been printing on this paper using Paul Roark's
vm set for 1270 epson. I have also used Paul's new 1270 curves, but
would like to find something that requires less tinkering w/ on my
end, since the curves are for Epson archival matte & Crane's museo.
Thanks in advance for your help. Boris
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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:08:32 -0000
From: "borismg" <mgkless@...>
Subject: paper profile
I called the paper Luminos classic velvet. It is Luminos classic
velour. Sorry for any confusion. I am still looking for help with
a curve/profile for an epson 1270. Thanks. Boris
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:28:07 -0000
From: "lawrencetrek" <ltitle@...>
Subject: Re: Espson 1280 vs. 2200
I hear you. I am facing the same problem.
I have sat on the sidelines for 2 years, scarred off by clogging, banding
etc.
with the original Piezo inks. Then, the prospect of the 2200 seemed like it
might be a perfect solution to produce neutral B/W prints, toned prints, and
color with one machine. The problem with the 2200 remains:
1)metamerism (better than prev. Epson printers, but still there)
2) longevity relative to the piezo inks
3) durability (matte black apparently can rub off art papers fairly easily)
4) print quality (under a loupe still not equal to piezo; tonal separation
etc.)
Even with custom profiles, or GB software most of these problems remain.
Then, came the prospect of the 2200 with Imageprint 5.0.
Hopefully, this RIP may provide what we both want: a printer than can
produce quality neutral, or toned B/W prints or color, without the problem
of
metamerism. That is, if we believe the excitement of the digitaldog.
Problem
is, the mac software is apparently still buggy and OS X solutions are
pending.
As well, the 2200 driver is still be worked on. So we have to wait for a
while.
Another big problem is that it is $495 on top of the cost of the 2200.
Maybe,
this could be bundled in the future according to Andy. It would be nice.
Then, yesterday I received my PiezoTone samples images in the mail and
they are great. Much better than anything I have seen from the 2200 so far.
But, if I go that route, I can't do arbitrary toning etc. Plus, I would
need a
separate color printer. There is no perfect solution ... yet. I am happy
to wait
for the next month to watch this Imageprint story. But, I am starting to
sway
towards the 1280 with PiezoTones. Then, I can't decide which gray tone
selenium vs. warm neutral. Even if I go this route, some are still
advocating
that Imageprint 5.0 is a better driver for the hextone B/W inks than the
piezo
plugin. Interestingly, as I pointed out this morning, this software is now
for
sale on inkjetmall. This is getting to complicated. I am going to go home
and
open some good red wine.
By the way, I don't really see the magenta, eggplant, etc in my selenium
print
sample that much. Perhaps the sample image doesn't have enough midtones
to see these colors. But, the blacks are significantly better than the
first
sample I ever got from inkjet mall a few years ago with the sundance inks.
It is
night and day.
I didn't answer your question, but may have left more questions unanswered.
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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:04:23 -0700
From: "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@...>
Subject: Re: Clogged Epson 1280
----- Original Message -----
From: <workmantx@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 7:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Clogged Epson 1280
> Martin,
>
> This morning, after running a quick purge file through to first confirm
that
> I wasn't getting any ink out of almost all of the jets, I replaced my
"color"
> cartridge. Next test print, showed ink from this cartridge but very
little
> from Black cartridge, so I replaced it with my one spare. It's all
working
> now, so you were right about MIS having a problem with their cartridges.
I
> called them just a bit ago and they're replacing both cartridges for free.
I
> hope these come properly filled! I may have to take the plunge to go with
a
> CIS soon, but I want to wait to hear more about ImagePrint and the 2200
> printer.
>
Bob,
I'm glad the problem was that simple and happy to hear that you got good
support from MIS. Watch those cartridge costs though. If you wait too long,
you will wind up spending the equivalent of a CIS pretty quickly.
Martin
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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:19:12 -0700
From: "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@...>
Subject: Re: printer
Trish,
Since you have tried different cartridges the only thing I can think of
before calling tech support is to take the cartridges out, get a flashlight
and check to see that the gold contact pins in the print head that touch the
proper places on the cartridge chip are all there and straight. It is
possible that one of them may have gotten bent out of place and that you
could bend it back into position. The odds are though that it is time to get
on the phone.
Martin Wesley
http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "gentlelens" <ternahan@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 1:25 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] printer
> Help...my epson 2000P won't believe that I have put in new cartridges
(epson,
> really)...the light won't go off....yes I have tried different
cartrideges...any
> ideas?
>
>
> Thanks in advance!
> trish
>
>
>
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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:19:12 -0700
From: "Ricardo Lagos" <ricardo@...>
Subject: Re: Clogged Epson 1280
thats exactly what happened to me -- is spent about $150 in cartridges for
MIS VM -and MIS VM sepia before i finally decided to go with a CIS from MIS
for their regular VM inks..
.. though the money wasn't really wasted because i needed to be sure that i
liked the results from the ink .. and wanted to try the differences between
MIS-VM and MIS-VM-Sepia...
-- ricardo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Clogged Epson 1280
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <workmantx@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 7:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Clogged Epson 1280
>
>
> > Martin,
> >
> > This morning, after running a quick purge file through to first confirm
> that
> > I wasn't getting any ink out of almost all of the jets, I replaced my
> "color"
> > cartridge. Next test print, showed ink from this cartridge but very
> little
> > from Black cartridge, so I replaced it with my one spare. It's all
> working
> > now, so you were right about MIS having a problem with their cartridges.
> I
> > called them just a bit ago and they're replacing both cartridges for
free.
> I
> > hope these come properly filled! I may have to take the plunge to go
with
> a
> > CIS soon, but I want to wait to hear more about ImagePrint and the 2200
> > printer.
> >
> Bob,
>
> I'm glad the problem was that simple and happy to hear that you got good
> support from MIS. Watch those cartridge costs though. If you wait too
long,
> you will wind up spending the equivalent of a CIS pretty quickly.
>
> Martin
>
>
>
>
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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:23:58 -0700
From: "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@...>
Subject: Re: paper profile
Boris,
I am pretty sure that is one of the names used for Hahnemuhle German
Etching. The RGB separation curves are mostly done for Epson Archival Matte
but this usually works very well with the Hahnemuhle papers as well.
Martin Wesley
http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "borismg" <mgkless@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 3:08 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] paper profile
> I called the paper Luminos classic velvet. It is Luminos classic
> velour. Sorry for any confusion. I am still looking for help with
> a curve/profile for an epson 1270. Thanks. Boris
>
>
>
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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 23:29:56 -0000
From: "johnvphoto" <johnnyv@...>
Subject: Re: Espson 1280 vs. 2200
"lawrencetrek" wrote:
> By the way, I don't really see the magenta, eggplant, etc in my selenium
print
> sample that much. Perhaps the sample image doesn't have enough midtones
> to see these colors.
Hi Lawrence,
I'm one of the Selenium users who mentioned the eggplant tones. I think now
it's more of a function of the paper - brightners maybe. Also if I compare a
Piezotone Warm and Selenium print side by side I see the "eggplant" color in
the
Selenium print. Not sure what it all means!
John V
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