Digital BW, The Print

Bruce,

I know what a Leaf VOLARE (no i) is, as I've used one.  I know the Volare is
not a "scanning" back, I was referring to MY scanning camera and scanning
back, as they both do take minutes, of course, my one shot does not.  The
Volare is a "one shot" back for B&W and a three shot back for color, because
it puts a filter in front of the CCD for each of the three colors for an RGB
image capture, or a single ND filter for a B&W image capture.  The Volare
DOES take some time, though it's seconds, to take an image, and the film
speed is very limited...especially for color.  There is quite a shutter lag
compared to a film camera.  You certainly can't carry it around and use it
like you would film.  These are both limitation of it, compared to film
cameras.

The Volare is really great, as it does give true resolution B&W with a
single ND filter.  But, it's still a 2k x 3k sensor though, and simply, from
a resolution standpoint, doesn't come close to comparable ASA MF film.  The
resolution simply is not there to make as large an image with the Volare of
similar quality and size as film can give you.  This is not theory, this is
just fact.  Even if you rez up, the detail does not compare.  You can't make
up detail that simply isn't there in the original data file.

The Volare does make great 8x10s, and IS better than a Bayer pattern camera,
since it is a true resolution camera, and has a native ND scan for B&W, with
no conversion.  It DOES make great B&W images, no doubt.

I'm not in any way, shape or form degrading the Volare, it gives great
images, but it HAS limitations, and your claim that it gives better B&W than
film is simply not my experience, as I said.  The Volare works on MF
cameras, so you must compare the results to MF film.  Perhaps for you it's
true that your Volare gives you better B&W images than film, but I don't
know how good you are with B&W film, what film you are talking about, how it
was exposed and developed etc.  Those are all critical in this comparison.
I know that I get better results from film, plain and simple.  From a
tonality prospective, a latitude prospective and a resolution prospective...

Regards,

Austin

> Austin
>
> You have no concept of what sort of back I am using if your ill
> informed answer is any thing to go by. It is not a scanning back as
> you stated but real time capture, Yes it is tethered to a computer
> but a laptop is not that hard to carry around compared to an 8x10
> field camera. I can assure you that my knowlage of B/W film is very
> extensive as I used to test new films for Ilford. I expected someone
> to bite with what I wrote, and I did not make the statment lightly. I
> stand by what I have said as I have the results to prove it. I guess
> that we will just have to agree to disagree!
>
> Bruce
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Austin Franklin"
> <darkroom@i...> wrote:
> >
> > Sorry, that was meant to be addressed to Bruce, not Paulo...
> >
> > >
> > > Paulo,
> > >
> > > > I have with my Leaf Volarie 6 mp 3 shot chip used in a 1 shot
> > > > mode...giving me B/W capture only just blow film out
> > > > of the water, I have a tonal range and quality of image that I
> can
> > > > not even come close to in the wet darkroom.
> > >
> > > That certainly hasn't been my experience.  I also use a Leaf 6M
> camera (as
> > > well as a 7k scanning back), and I get better B&W (and color)
> > > results using
> > > film with my Hasselblad.  6M only gives you 2000 x 3000, and
> > > that, at 200PPI
> > > to the printer gives you a 10 x 15 image without rezzing it
> > > up...and that's
> > > quite low PPI to the printer, mind you.  It can make pretty
> decent 8x10s
> > > though...but the tonality doesn't come near to comparing.
> > >
> > > > I recently upgraded to a
> > > > Sinar 44 16 mp chip and the results are even better now. ...The
> > > best I can
> > > get is 8 stops from film I get 11 from
> > > > the chip.
> > >
> > > Then you are not using your film as well as it can be used.  I
> > > routinely get
> > > 11 stops from B&W film.  Also, you are tethered as well as
> require your
> > > images to be still for the MINUTES it takes to make the scan.
> > >
> > > Digital certainly has it's place, but for B&W, it certainly
> doesn't "blow
> > > film out of the water".  It has certain advantages, and film has
> certain
> > > advantages.  You have to tailor your use to your needs.
> > >
> > > Austin
> > >
>
>
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