I'm sorry but this feels more like a reactionary stance on a new methodology for which you have no experience. I see Photoshop as a tool no different than controlling the exposure and the timing and temperature of my developer in order to control contrast. I have over 30 years of experience with "analog" and around 10 with digital if I only consider it when applying to photography (it goes further back for film work). When I first posted my comment, this is exactly the kind of reaction I was sensing. I accepted the notion of taste. That cannot be argued and I will defend your right to disagree with my taste to the end. However this is not what this is turning out to be. People invest great amounts of time perfecting a methodology and feel threatened by new methods (as if that made them obsolete). Instead of trying to understand it, the reaction typically involves attacking it as to make it less than what they know and are comfortable with. This is by no means isolated to this subject. It happens whenever a new methodology is presented to replace or augment an older one. Pick any field and you will find exact copies of these sentiments. Heck, how many people feel that digital printing isn't "real" photography? All in all, it all boils down to fear. Fear to admit the ignorance of something new and laziness to try to understand it. Photography is, and has always been a highly technical procedure. Capturing light, especially monochromatic light is inherently "artificial" and manipulative. Controlling the aperture to define depth of field, choosing a lens in order to define perspective compression, choosing a film in order to control contrast, grain, etc. These are all "manipulations" of reality. To try to determine what is "good" manipulation and what is "bad" manipulation is just simple censorship. As any other kind of censorship, it comes out of fear. The solace is that this tends to "die out". Rest in peace. g -----Original Message----- From: Richard Sintchak [mailto:richard@...] Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 1:28 PM To: Bill Agee Subject: Re[2]: [Digital BW] Very cool B&W Lightjet prints Monday, September 16, 2002, 10:25:46 AM, Bill Agee wrote: BA> This argument has been going on long before I got seriously BA> interested in photography over 30 years ago...the "purists" vs the BA> "manipulators". Most people don't realize that some of the most BA> venerated photographers were heavy manipulators of the silver gelatin BA> media. Ansel Adams and W. Eugene Smith are just a couple that BA> immediately come to mind. I think this argument is less about the actual act of "manipulation" than about the art and talent inherent to the manipulation or enhancing process that was used. I belive now that many people are actually quite aware that photographers like Adams and Smith were manipulators. However, their techniques required an artistry and talent on a completely different plane than many are now doing by simply tweaking a few sliders in PS. I have no problem with manipulating or enhancing an image in PS. I just think photographers should be EXPLICITLY up front about what, if any, PS tools and techniques may have been used. The biggest problem I see, and the most dishonorable trend I see, is where photographers are using PS to create tonal ranges and/or hue adjustments, then say nothing in their image description. This "silence" tends to purposefully create an "aura" and tends to completely imply that the photographer, through talented field techniques and camera skill, captured that once in a lifetime light when in reality, while they may have captured a very good image, they absolutely needed PS to make it over the top. Some say we should all use our "artistic license" to make our images the best they can be. Artistic license is one thing, but the more one's artistic license depends on mouse movements in a computer the less merit there is to the art. Best regards, Richard mailto:richard@... Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - Include your full name with your message. - Include the address of your website, if you have one. - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames." - Complete your Yahoo profile. - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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RE: Re[2]: [Digital BW] Very cool B&W Lightjet prints
2002-09-16 by Gus J Grubba
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