Thad Munnerlyn [thm@...] wrote, in part: >Light Impressions carries a product ... in their conservation section. Great, I'm a big fan of Light Impressions. It's probably made by one of the leaders in the industry. >is the back of the paper a different Ph from the coating? Probably. It appears one of the challenges is that buffering damages pigments. So, neutralizing and buffering the paper must be done in such a way that the buffering does not reach the coating. Wei T'o makes different solutions that penetrate differing amounts. Choosing the right one and finding an accurate, repeatable application method are probably critical pieces of the puzzle. Hopefully Wei T'o will see the potential of a market and customer base (maybe even Epson) large enough to get involved directly. I've e-mailed them. The problem with the sprays appears to include evenness and accurate metering of the amount of buffering. I think a thin transfer sheet that is immersed, saturated and then used to transfer a repeatable amount of the solution to the paper might be integrated into my current procedure of dampening the back of the paper to take the curl out of the 24" rolls I use. The extent of migration of both the acid and buffering are related issues. The acid may be no more than a loose proton (hydrogen ion). It's so small it can easily migrate through paper. We know that an acidic cardboard will attack an adjacent acid-free print. The good news here is that we can mop up a lot of this stuff with less than 100% penetration. Hopefully the buffering will not migrate so far as to attach the coating if it is held far enough away. I'll test the extent to which the deacidifiers attack the pigments. Ernst Dinkla [E.Dinkla@...] wrote, in part: >...There's an expensive technic with a kind of gas chamber etc >where books in batches are deacified. ... Yes, the big money has gone into "mass deacidification." It's a huge field/knowledge base that we can tap into. Thomas Keesling [tom.keesling@...] wrote, in part: >What does the Library of Congress do, if anything, re deacidifying paper? I don't know. However, it appears everyone is looking at this approach. Frankly, it's an obvious approach. I was about to put a calcium carbonate buffer into my print-flattening distilled water sprayer to see what would happen when I decided to do a "quickie" internet search to see if anyone else had thought of this. Boy, had they ever. It's huge. And the rewards could be huge. People are talking hundreds of years of life added to cheap papers. Note, EAM/EEM is "cheap paper" but it is also the only one that delivers the image quality I'm looking for. I love cotton for clothes, but its softness results in "fluffy" papers that generally don't give me what I'm looking for in a paper. This is a stylistic and subjective view that just reflects my personal preferences. I can fully understand how others might prefer the cotton. For my tastes, PhotoRag may be the best cotton alternative (about the only acceptable cotton paper I've ever seen), and I am not ignoring it. However, for me, EAM/EEM still wins by a very large margin. Nonetheless, my roadmap includes a diverse approach to this problem that will give me/us the best shot at a solution. The UltraChrome-compatible inkset transition is part of that. The RC papers may be the best answer. Just seal a buffered paper in a sandwich and coat over it. This give a better Dmax and the particles are pre-coated for durability. I'd sure like to be compatible with this possibly-superior approach. The coating of our uncoated particles is also related. The best coated image I've yet seen was a coated EAM done by Nghi Nguyen. We are looking at several application methods. Immersion may be the easiest. It coats both sides, thus encapsulating the entire package. This might be good or bad. The Mayer rods that Robert prefers may be the best way to coat only one side. However, the airbrushed test print from Nghi is very nice. I like the immersion method because it might be done with virtually no preparation or cleanup. Nghi's initial trials appear to produce superior results. Robin Whetton, the proprietor of the European MIS distributor has in his darkroom company vertical developing trays the might seal well enough to just open the top, dip, close the top. All done. I think I may have another sealable tray method that is even cheaper and easier. Robin is sending us some vertical trays for testing. Whether to coat one or both sides is also an issue. If totally encapsulated, the oxidation may be reduced more. Also, the print may be more curl-free, since the coatings offset each other. Additionally, lignin (the hard glue that allows trees to get so tall but wrecks old paper) does not, it appears, initially cause trouble. It may become a problem only when airborne substances interact with it. So encapsulation may help prevent lignin from doing damage. On the other hand, since deacidification is a science that will probably advance substantially, and since some of the acids are such that they act like gases that migrate -- including out of the paper to , possibly, an adjacent interleaving that grabs the acid, sealing the back of the print may be a mistake in the long run. I don't have good answers yet, and there may not be any for years. Who knows, maybe I'll make two copies of my display prints that I offer for sale and just mount the second version of the print behind the first so that buyers will be able to do whatever works best, including just trashing one and displaying the other (possibly second rate but "acid free") image when the first one self-destructs. This is going to be a long and complex story, but I think what I've learned is that acidic paper is not the end of the story at all. Paul http://www.PaulRoark.com _________________________ --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > Does anyone have any experience with or knowledge relating to the issue of > deacidifying paper? > > There appears to be a large body of information relating to mass > deacidifying the huge body of old documents that are now self- destructing > due to the acid content of the paper used. A related issue is deacidifying > individual papers, posters, etc. The goal, of course, is to extend the life > of these papers. Numbers like 300 - 500 years are tossed around. It > appears to be a big deal with some lofty claims. > > The process is to impregnate an acidic paper with acid-neutralizing > chemicals and buffering. > > Two companies have sprays that are said to be ideal for individual posters, > etc. These two products are called "Wei T'o" (the name of a Chinese god who > protects books) and Bookkeeper. The Wei T'o website has substantial > information on it. See http://weito.com/intro.htm > > A several year old test on a Stanford cite draws into question the > effectiveness of the Bookkeeper spray product, while indirectly indicating > to me that the overall approach does have merit. > > The obvious concept: why not just spray the back of EAM with a Wei T'o > spray to deacidify the paper while not touching the surface (where buffering > might reduce the light fastness of the pigments). > > If we can't find a better-looking paper, maybe we can make the paper better. > > Paul > http://www.PaulRoark.com
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[Digital BW] Re: Deacidifying EAM
2002-09-22 by Paul Roark
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