Digital BW, The Print

Mark,

Good points all and I agree 100%.

The rules for the commercial interests on the list are in Post #1 and 
both Robert of Crane and Allen of Lincoln Inks are good examples of 
following the spirit Antonis and I had in mind. They cab let us know 
about your products but should make yourself available to field 
questions about their product and share their expertise in general as 
a member of the group. If done well, this can be a win-win for users 
and manufacturers. Manufactures and dealers should be ready to deal 
with tough questions and forthright opinions.

Martin

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Mark Tucker" <mark@m...> 
wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Tyler Boley" 
<tyler@t...> 
> wrote:
> > I tend to think another ink possibility for quads is "news" since 
> none of them do exactly what I want yet. I'll take 
> > information anywhere I can get it.
> 
> 
> 1. I have seen some retailers/manufacturers come into these 
> lists and begin the soft-spam behavior, and to me, it really 
> begins to dilute the quality of these lists. It's not really quite 
> spam, but it can get very heavy on sales and pricing. And this 
> B/W list I feel is particularly good, and free of commercial ties; 
so 
> maybe I'm a bit touchy and protective about any perceived 
> invasion from people who sell this stuff, rather than the people 
> who actually USE this stuff. 
> 
> Robert Rex, for example, is bragging on his papers, but at the 
> same time, he's also providing hard-core, substantive 
> information about the papers as well. He balances out his 
> salesmanship with cold, hard facts that are useful in the real 
> world, to the users.
> 
> 2. And speaking of people who use the stuff: I'm probably a bit 
> touchy too about companies who just bring products to market, 
> tout its greatnesses, and ease-of-use, and then the user buys it 
> and realizes that it's not really ready for prime-time. The user 
> pays full price to be, basically, the final beta-tester. I'm in for 
> thousands of dollars in recent past for software/hardware that 
> wasn't quite what it was promised, or at least, did not perform 
> properly right out of the box. So maybe I'm a bit touchy about that 
> too.
> 
> 3. I too wondered about Paul Roark's relationship with MIS. 
> Could he really be writing all these curves and transfers for free? 
> I guess he is, and if he is, I compliment his spirit of community 
> involvement. I would contribute something to this valued 
> community as well, if I knew what to do. 
> 
> But I also agree with Todd, I think, who asked about MIS. I have a 
> good friend with (I think) a 1200 and variable quads from MIS, 
> and he's pretty bummed for buying the inks, but for having no 
> curve to go with his printer. I do not know if he bought the inks 
> knowing that there was no curve, but it kinda makes sense to not 
> even sell something until it's finished. All I knows right now is 
> that he's pretty miffed about anything related to MIS, and that 
> makes for bad customer relations.
> 
> ----
> 
> So, that's just the way I feel. I'm not trying to be negative or 
> argumentative. I just feel like, on quality lists like these, which 
> are rare, retailers need to be kept on a short leash, and they 
> need to hear the full truth about what the experience is of buying 
> a product.
> 
> -http://marktucker.com