Digital BW, The Print

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Miguel Angel Aleman" 
<alemanma@b...> wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "jim hayes" 
<jimhayes@f...> 
> wrote:
> > 
> > I was debating switching to glossy with the 2200. Your experiences 
> > will help guide me in selecting what if any papers to test.
> > 
> > 
> 
> Hello Jim
> 
> I do not have first hand experience printing with the UltraChrome 
> inks, and I hope I made that clear on my previous postings. I think 
I 
> did.


I thought that might be the case but that you had seen first hand 
printed samples by others. But I wasn't sure.

> 
> Like many others, I am still trying to decide if is time to jump 
into 
> the "UltraChrome Inks" bandwagon ... in the hope of a "longer life".

In my case I am more or less getting forced into it after fighting ink 
breakdown/clogging issues with both the old piezo inks and the MIS 
inks. Probably because of the environment or climate, it is not very 
practical to run pigment inks through 1160 or 1280 printers here. Or I 
could be doing something wrong. So I'm ready to opt out for ink that 
is "supposed" to be in the printer. My other option is to use the 
standard MIS black instead of VM black, but tired of all the hijinks, 
I just want a system where I can call up Epson and scream at them if 
need be, if THEIR inks are clogging my 2200...

>  
> TO help me made the decision, I lurked for a few months in a number 
> of inkjet-related forums while compiling the list of "Issues and 
> Concerns" I highlighted in my original post. In addition, I got a 
few 
> of my images printed by three different Epson Pro dealers so that I 
> could directly compared UltraChrome prints against their dye 
> counterparts. Unfortunately, in all cases, the prints I got back 
from 
> the dealers suffered from the "Ultrachrome sins".


Yes, I got TSS photo to print some of my files on Eclipse paper with 
both photo black and matte black on 7600. But not any glossy or semi. 
This was with default Epson driver settings and they did have "geenish 
in daylight" problems. Ignoring the hue of the prints, the prints 
weren't too bad at all. I expected a low Dmax anyway, having used 
Eclipse in the past. But it certainly isn't worth crowing about. I 
also got some color and B&W prints from Epson on different papers.

I'm not sure it's fair to compare dye inksets to any pigment inkset 
since you trade in longevity and get higher Dmax and, in the case of 
color, richer tones. It's like you can't have everything- you have to 
compromise. Trading longevity for vibrancy in this case.

In my case with the 2200 I will trade "no more ink clogging hassles" 
(assumed since inks were MADE to go in printer) for some print 
quality. I also get some longevity as a bonus. I'll find a paper I 
like best, but my fall back is Eclipse...and live with the lower Dmax.
 
> 
> It was then that I decided to "come out of the lurker's closet" and 
> post for the very first time. Out of "youthfull ignorance", I 
> simultaneusly posted in 3 different forums, which I later learned 
> is "not cool".
> 
> Anyway, the "bronzing" related remarks/recommendations paper I made 
> on my very last posting are not my own, but rather, they are a 
> compilation of some of the responses elicited by my original 
posting.
> 
> Unless is also "uncool" to provide feedback obtained from other 
> forums, I will continue to post what I hear/learn along the way.

Okay, but I'm curious as to how many folks were happy with UC on 
glossy/semi vs not happy, as in rough percentage? Everyone sees things 
with different eyes.
Jim H.

> 
> Still trying to learn the unwritten rules, Miguel Angel Aleman