Digital BW, The Print

Pete,

As a list moderator I ask that you please read post #1, which 
outlines the topic, general guidelines and commercial members 
guidelines.

The intent of the list is to have a group that is not run by any 
commercial interest to discuss all of the materials and techniques 
available. As part of idea, we decided to welcome and encourage, 
information and presence from all manufacturers and vendors on an 
equal footing in exchange for their participation answering questions 
and providing links to this list for new users to follow. The thought 
was that this would help the users better understand what was 
available and allow the users to take advantage of the commercial 
members knowledge.

I am very pleased with the way it has worked out so far. 

Regarding topic, the list is not about "quad blacks," it is about all 
technologies to produce a B&W or monochrome print from a digital 
file. This includes using color ink sets among many other methods.

I find it very common in lists for interest in one particular item or 
area to just about totally grab the attention of the list for a while 
and then the list moves on to a new topic. If you don't like the 
threads running at any particular time, start a new thread. Ask a 
question, post some information, etc.


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., bpeteb@y... wrote:
(snip)

> 
> Still I resent the hype that is overtaking this list. I joined to
> read 
> more about Quad Blacks in general. This list turns out to be a huge 
> marketing arena for MIS and now Indelible. Makes me wonder if it
> isn't 
> more profitable being one of the gurus for an ink company than 
being 
> the ink company itself. Fact is that this list is actively utilized
> by 
> the propoganda of ink company gurus. 

Really. See above.

> 
> I may have been harsh but I was not attacking Tony per se.

Sure could have fooled me. 

> I just do 
> not want to read the hype of color inks on a list for Black and
> White.

Please see the group topic.
 
> I just don't want to be lied to anymore nor hyped to. I am not 
saying 
> Tony is lieing. I really do not believe he knows enough technically 
> about what he is selling to be able to lie. I do believe he is
> engaging 
> in blatant hype.

Pete, I consider that over the line. You really need to read Post #1.

> 
> Anyone here want to start a discussion list which doesn't allow 
> manufacturers?

Start one. That is what Antonis and I did when we were not satisfied 
with what was out there.

> Isn't that what a discussion list is?

It is whatever its members want to make of it.

> Can't the 
> manufacturers have their own?

Yes they can and they most definitely do!

> Am I the only one bothered by this?

Probably not. The odds that this list will please everyone are 
vanishing small.

> Today 
> was a tremendous wake up. I don't want to take it anymore. I want to
> be 
> able to sign on and learn, and to participate when I actually get
> this 
> curves thing working. Right now it isn't what it was cracked up to 
be 
> either. So excuuuuse me if I appear skeptical. I am.

I am sorry you have found so little to your liking in this group.

Martin Wesley