Digital BW, The Print

Martin:
The MYSS you mentioned came from me. It in my sig. I have not blatently
posted anything about MYSS on this list and I do not intend to do such.

I have been creating black and white prints probably longer than some of the
list members have been living. The ability to make prints is not that
difficult. It does take knowledge and practice. This list surely trys to
impart knowledge. Practice you have to do on your own.

The problem I see is what do you do with the print after you make it? If you
are a hobbiest and printing them for your own pleasure that is fine. You can
announce to this list that you made a new print with such and such ink and
paper on such and such printer and maybe 50 people will know about it.

But if you are a professional, as I believe some of you are, then you have
to sell your prints. You may sell them in galleries, art shows, or the
internet. If you are trying to sell your work and no one knows about you
then it doesn't matter how good of a print you make. You are going to fail.

The MYSS in my signature is for those who may want to do more than just
play.

In the future I will try and be a bit more sensitive you your feelings.

Jim Davis


> Steadman,
>
> Basically participation of the manufacturers and vendors was
> something we planned in from the beginning. The idea was that they
> would all be on an equal footing and would not control the list. We
> spent a lot of time laying it out and it is in Post #1.
>
> So far we have had posts from Lincoln Inks, Crane Paper (Robert Rex),
> Legion Paper, Hawk Mountain Papers, Indelible Inks (only after people
> started posting about info on their list) and Robert Morrison who has
> a coating under development with Brightcube if I am not mistaken.
> Paul Roark does not work for MIS. Let me know if I missed someone.
>
> No one from MIS has ever posted on this list to my knowledge. I
> invited both Bob Zeiss and Jon Cone to post and both declined. All
> the MIS posts have been from users. All I can say is that there has
> been a lot of interest. MIS doesn't have a list and most of the MIS
> users were apparently lurking on the Piezo list and then moved over
> here. Indelible Inks does have a list. I would like to see some more
> diversity myself and I try to promote other threads as they come
> along but I can't create it if the interest is not there. I am very
> surprised there is not more discussion about Piezo. The current poll
> shows that of the ink sets in use by the group Piezo is about 40% and
> the various MIS quads 33%.
>
> The rules are that someone can promote their product to the list if
> it is related to making B&W (including monochromes such as sepia,
> etc.) prints, they respond to questions about their products, they
> create a link on their website to this group to help ensure a
> steady flow of new members, and hopefully share their expertise in
> general.
>
> Quite frankly it is likely to be the smaller, newer companies who
> post because it is a real gamble. They have a very good chance of
> getting shredded.
>
> The "Make Your Site SELL! (MYSS!)" issue is another matter and I will
> ask politely that the person (I need to check back and see who.)
> remove this from their posts. Any promotion of a product not related
> to B&W digital printing is considered SPAM.
>
> In all sincerity the list is about as under control, as I would like
> it to be. Hopefully Antonis and I could both go off on vacation for a
> month and you all could sort it out amongst yourselves. It was meant
> to be a group largely moderated by the users with any intervention by
> Antonis or myself, a last ditch effort.
>
> Not what you wanted to hear but I hope you understand our position.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Martin
>
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Steadman Uhlich"
> <steadmanuhlich@k...> wrote:
> > Hello List Moderators!
> >
> > Just another opinion here...from one who admires your intentions
> and your sacrifice of time to get this list going.
> >
> > But, this list is becoming too much (in my opinion) a list of
> manufacturers and ink reps touting their products again and again.
> >
> > I have respect for Robert Rex, Paul Roark and I am sure I would
> respect some of the others too, but my email box has been loaded
> lately with nothing but ink/curve/ink comments from people who are in
> the business of selling the stuff, users or not.  If I were really
> all that interested in MIS inks I would go to the MIS site and look
> for "their list."  Same with Piezo.  Same with other stuff too.  Paul
> Roark is a dedicated man who knows his stuff and is kind enough to
> answer his questions in detail (thanks Paul). Robert Rex has access
> to guys who know stuff about paper.   But there is a fine line that
> has been crossed numerous times lately.
> >
> > That has changed how I see this fledgling list.
> >
> > Not only that, there is one subscriber whose postings always have
> a "soft spam" advertisement on his posts....that also is beyond what
> I would expect on this kind of list.  I seem to see dozens of his
> messages that scream (and I quote here):
> >
> > Make Your Site SELL! (MYSS!)
> > The best art in the world is useless......if you can't sell it.
> > What's the point of traffic...if no one's buying your art?
> > Order MYSS! TODAY... increase your sales TOMORROW
> > http://myss.sitesell.com/artists.html
> >
> > That is about as annoying as the "Lose Weight Now!"  Lose 20 pounds
> etc....ads that show up on the other list.
> >
> >
> >
> > Hey guys, take control of your list.
> >
> > And keep the marketing hype off this list.  Otherwise, you are no
> better than a tool for ink reps and paper reps etc...
> >
> > With sincere intent and best wishes for you and your list,
> > Steadman
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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