Digital BW, The Print

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson 
<jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> Evening Tim,
> 
> Well, I've been doing a VERY odd thing for me today. I have a 
display of
> 15 photos going up in a new gallery in town. They wanted Sepiatone
> prints! After all I've gone through to get the cold tones. But these
> Prints I've been printing today, aren't "Piezo Brown". They are
> genuinely a very attractive sepia tone, and I was dumbfounded as to 
how
> good they look. They are much richer in tone than the cold tone 
prints,
> and the blacks are deeper. (Browns?) Richer, and more luxurious 
looking,
> anyhow!!) They were printed with a color balance setting I made in
> photoshop, and were printed with the COLOR MIS Archival pigmented 
inks.
> They actually look more classy than the cold tones I've been 
printing
> for all these months. They work on Eclipse and Somerset Enhanced 
paper
> beautifully. I have never seen a monotone print on Somerset velvet
> enhanced of this quality. The blacks? Browns? are deeper than you 
can
> get with cool tones on this paper. 
> 
> So I would say yes, you can print any selenium tone you would ever 
want
> from this inkset. The prints I've been printing today don't seem to 
have
> any noticeable metamerism; This must be because any metamerism with 
this
> inkset tends to be a little bit red. (About 6 or 7 ccs of red, if 
you go
> by the kodak Gelatin filters.
> 
> Again, I learn something new every day. i never thought I would 
actually
> like brown tones. But again, this is NOT an ugly piezo brown color, 
it
> is a really nice color!
> 
> Tomorrow, I'll try and print a Selenium toned print for you and see 
how
> the metamerism goes. It is different, depending on the file and it's
> color/or grayscale mode. It is different if you print it from an RGB
> image or from a Grayscale image.  So MANY variations are possible.  
> 
> Every paper I've used on these sepia prints print the images very 
well.
> The only thing that does NOT look nice as this color is, of course, 
snow
> scenes. They must be cool.
> 
> I really think if you put some testing time in with this inkset, 
you are
> going to be very happy...
> 
Jerry,

I am very interested in your use of the MIS archival color inks to 
obtain good sepia-toned prints. What settings do you use in Photoshop 
6 and in the Epson driver? Do you start with scanned B&W negatives or 
color negatives? 

David Tilson
> 

> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > Yup, Metamerism raised it's ugly head last night with the MIS 
color
> > > inkset and black and white prints. Too much to accept, toward 
the
> > red,
> > > I'm afraid. A Real Pity.
> > >
> > > Oh well, back the the VM MIS inks....
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > daviddstock@e... wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> > > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >  I just printed some black and white prints today, using the 
MIS
> > > > > color inkset and the Torchon Profile I had made for the 
printer.
> > > > (1160)
> > > > > On Torchon, Epson Archival and Eclipse paper, this profile
> > > > works very
> > > > > well indeed. No color cross overs, and a very close to 
neutral
> > > > tone. I
> > > > > was absolutely amazed to get consistent black and white
> > > > prints from the
> > > > > MIS color inkset.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > How about metamerism, Jerry? Using profiles, I've had no
> > > > trouble getting good grayscale prints using color inksets. But
> > > > such prints have the reputation for being  either impermanent
> > > > (like the Epson OEM dyes) or metameric (like the Epson and
> > > > Generations pigments). The reported exception has been
> > > > Cone's Color Piezo, which has poor blacks...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks,
> > Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The 
page
> > is at:
> > > >
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > 
> > 
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, 
Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page 
is at:
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/