Digital BW, The Print

Hi Jerry,

You addressed a post to Mike re: selenium-toned prints, was that 
meant for me?

Tim  












--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson 
<jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> Mike, I don't think getting a selenium toned print will be 
difficult.
> But, Whenever you deal with black
> and white prints, there is metamerism. I got a nice sepia tone on 
Epson
> Watercolor paper, and on Eclipse paper yesterday, that look great in
> daylight, and are also attractive in Tungsten lighting, but are a
> slightly different tone of sepia. Also, Metamerism is different 
colors
> on different papers.  Color prints don't show a lot of metamerism
> 
> The trick will be to get a nice selenium tone print in one light 
source
> that still looks attractive in another lighting situation.  I've 
done
> this for sepia tone, but selenium will be jore difficult.
> 
> 
> Exactly what are your settings for your epson ink/selenium prints?
> 
> What are your choices of lighting? Daylight, Tungsten, Fluorescent? 
In
> that order? I don't really have any fluorescent lighting in my home 
to
> view these prints under, I have to take them to a store. And then
> there's 10 different color temperatures of fluorescent lighting.
> 
> Jerry
> 
> 
> 
> tyork@a... wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Jerry,
> > 
> >  Congratulations on your exhibit. Your images are great and I'm 
sure
> > they will be very well received by the public.
> >  My family and I always say Grace at meal times and we included a
> > special prayer for everyone involved in yesterday's terrible 
events.
> > This doesn't sound very Christian-like but I hope you send those
> > bastards to HELL when you catch them.
> >  I hope, I hope, I hope that you can get a selenium-toned print 
from
> > that inkset. The only thing that keeps me from tearing my hair out
> > (both of them) is that I have the OEM inkset which gives me good
> > duotones. IMAGINE, JERRY OLSON printing sepia-toned prints and as
> > Maxwell Smart would say AND LOVING IT :-). Jerry, they almost 
sound
> > like they are a platinum-tone with the rich blacks and all. Thanks
> > again, Jerry, for trying to help. I really appreciate it.
> > 
> > Best regards always,
> > 
> > Tim
> > 
> > www.portraitsofnature.net
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > Evening Tim,
> > >
> > > Well, I've been doing a VERY odd thing for me today. I have a
> > display of
> > > 15 photos going up in a new gallery in town. They wanted 
Sepiatone
> > > prints! After all I've gone through to get the cold tones. But 
these
> > > Prints I've been printing today, aren't "Piezo Brown". They are
> > > genuinely a very attractive sepia tone, and I was dumbfounded 
as to
> > how
> > > good they look. They are much richer in tone than the cold tone
> > prints,
> > > and the blacks are deeper. (Browns?) Richer, and more luxurious
> > looking,
> > > anyhow!!) They were printed with a color balance setting I made 
in
> > > photoshop, and were printed with the COLOR MIS Archival 
pigmented
> > inks.
> > > They actually look more classy than the cold tones I've been
> > printing
> > > for all these months. They work on Eclipse and Somerset Enhanced
> > paper
> > > beautifully. I have never seen a monotone print on Somerset 
velvet
> > > enhanced of this quality. The blacks? Browns? are deeper than 
you
> > can
> > > get with cool tones on this paper.
> > >
> > > So I would say yes, you can print any selenium tone you would 
ever
> > want
> > > from this inkset. The prints I've been printing today don't 
seem to
> > have
> > > any noticeable metamerism; This must be because any metamerism 
with
> > this
> > > inkset tends to be a little bit red. (About 6 or 7 ccs of red, 
if
> > you go
> > > by the kodak Gelatin filters.
> > >
> > > Again, I learn something new every day. i never thought I would
> > actually
> > > like brown tones. But again, this is NOT an ugly piezo brown 
color,
> > it
> > > is a really nice color!
> > >
> > > Tomorrow, I'll try and print a Selenium toned print for you and 
see
> > how
> > > the metamerism goes. It is different, depending on the file and 
it's
> > > color/or grayscale mode. It is different if you print it from 
an RGB
> > > image or from a Grayscale image.  So MANY variations are 
possible.
> > >
> > > Every paper I've used on these sepia prints print the images 
very
> > well.
> > > The only thing that does NOT look nice as this color is, of 
course,
> > snow
> > > scenes. They must be cool.
> > >
> > > I really think if you put some testing time in with this inkset,
> > you are
> > > going to be very happy.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > >
> > > I just can't believe what happened in New York and Washington 
today.
> > > I've been glued to the news channels all day. I hope they will
> > discover
> > > exactly who is behind this and eliminate them utterly.
> > >
> > > Take Care.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > tyork@a... wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Jery,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your test on the MIS color inks in a duotone mode. 
I
> > guess
> > > > that tears it for me. I am going to stay with the Epson OEM 
inks
> > > > until there are inks that will do what I want. I like 
selenium-
> > toned
> > > > pictures and will wait for Cones selenium inks and see what 
they
> > are
> > > > like. Thanks again.
> > > >
> > > > Tim
> > > >
> > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> > > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > > > Yup, Metamerism raised it's ugly head last night with the 
MIS
> > color
> > > > > inkset and black and white prints. Too much to accept, 
toward
> > the
> > > > red,
> > > > > I'm afraid. A Real Pity.
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh well, back the the VM MIS inks....
> > > > >
> > > > > Jerry
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > daviddstock@e... wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> > > > > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  I just printed some black and white prints today, using 
the
> > MIS
> > > > > > > color inkset and the Torchon Profile I had made for the
> > printer.
> > > > > > (1160)
> > > > > > > On Torchon, Epson Archival and Eclipse paper, this 
profile
> > > > > > works very
> > > > > > > well indeed. No color cross overs, and a very close to
> > neutral
> > > > > > tone. I
> > > > > > > was absolutely amazed to get consistent black and white
> > > > > > prints from the
> > > > > > > MIS color inkset.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How about metamerism, Jerry? Using profiles, I've had no
> > > > > > trouble getting good grayscale prints using color 
inksets. But
> > > > > > such prints have the reputation for being  either 
impermanent
> > > > > > (like the Epson OEM dyes) or metameric (like the Epson and
> > > > > > Generations pigments). The reported exception has been
> > > > > > Cone's Color Piezo, which has poor blacks...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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