Not a bad thought but, one of the main reasons for using the Zone System (in addition to printing everything on one grade of paper) is to maintain shadow detail while either separating high values or preventing them from blocking up. Once density values pile up on the shoulder and become the same density they cannot be separted with any scanner. Anybody else??? Stan Shire Associate Professor/Department Chair Photographic Imaging Community College of Philadelphia Adobe Photoshop 6 A.C.E. Author: Hands On Photoshop 7: Tutorial Workshops 215 751-8320 sshire@... -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Gulstene [mailto:kevin@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 6:54 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Scanning and Zone Sys Development. Is zone system development time manipulation irrelevant when scanning film as opposed to traditional printing? That is the question I would like some help with. My understanding is that the zone system is way of ensuring a constant density range on the negative independent of the brightness range of the scene. This is desirable because it makes most scenes printable on a grade 2 paper (leaving the other grades available for artistic interpretation) and it helps minimize the stuffing around in the darkroom required to get a good print. Since I am not doing wet prints but am scanning the negatives, it seems to me that the N- or N+ development dependent on the scene brightness range is, mostly, irrelevant. By setting the black point, setting the white point and scanning the negative am I not mapping the entire density range of the image to a numerical range of 0-256 or 0-64k? This mapping would take place independent of the absolute density any particular zone. As a hypothetical example lets assume a scene contains a 8 stop range of brightness. Three images are similarly exposed to capture that brightnesses range. The three images are given different development times and produce density ranges of (1.0-0.3=.7), (1.4-0.4=1.0) and (2.0-.5=1.5). When the images are scanned each one will produce a full histogram from 0 to 255 and a scene brightness at the 6th of the eight stops will show up at the same place in each of the histograms. Soooo, can't I simplify the zone mantra to "expose for the shadows and let the highlights fall where they may with normal development". Also, wouldn't it be better to generally use N+1 development times so that the numbers from the raw scan occupied more of the scanner's range? Thanks for your help Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=241773.2725424.4169802.1925585/D=egroupweb/S=1705 019182:HM/A=1394046/R=0/*http://www.hgtv.com/hgtv/pac_ctnt/text/0,,HGTV_ 3936_5802,FF.html> HGTV Dream Home Giveaway <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=241773.2725424.4169802.1925585/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1394046/rand=966528429> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - Include your full name with your message. - Include the address of your website, if you have one. - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or &amp;quot;flames.&amp;quot; - Complete your Yahoo profile. - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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RE: [Digital BW] Scanning and Zone Sys Development.
2003-01-08 by Shire,Stanley
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