On Saturday, January 18, 2003, at 12:08 PM, Andrew Rodney wrote: > As for making custom profiles, I'm finding that working well ... But > what's > shocking to me is that while my custom profile (ProfileMaker Pro, 9.88 > target) are really good, the canned profile (in this case on Luster > paper as > my first test) was pretty close. I didn't expect a canned profile to > be this > good! > Andrew, I'd like to comment on this observation myself. I just finished making my own custom profiles for all my various media. My comments are relative to ImagePrint on Mac OS X used with my Epson 7600, UltraChrome w/ Matte Black ink. Profiles were created using Monaco Proof w/DTP-41. Evaluation prints were printed using Relative Colorimetric rendering using my standard color management reference image. All color transforms were done in Photoshop using the Adobe ACE CMM, with color management in ImagePrint completely disabled [only way to assure reasonable soft-proof to print matching, and I also found serious differences between IP Perceptual and ACE Perceptual renderings, plus the IP CMM does not handle Black Point Compensation at all]. I agree with you that I am _very_ surprised at the level of quality of the "canned" ColorByte-provided profiles. Comparing prints made using their "Day" profiles to my own (std D50) profiles for Epson Enhanced Matte, Somerset Velvet for Epson, and Photo Rag, in a GTI Soft-View juxtaposed with proper soft proofing for evaluation, all showed very consistent differences from my own (probably due to tools used to create the respective profiles), but considering what the differences are, and how good the ColorByte profiles are out-of-hand, I will likely be keeping them around as additional tools to use under the right conditions. The differences were very consistent, but the quality was unusually good for all. The differences were that my profiles produced slightly more _accurate_ color, relative to both the soft proof display as well as physical MacBeth Color Checker patches (which I would expect as these profiles were created using my specific printer, media, and printer/RIP settings), but the ColorByte-provided profiles demonstrate slightly richer black (DMax) and somewhat better overall contrast, lending to better image detail and tonal separation in the lower midtones to shadows. These differences were very subtle in general, and were I not a stickler for maximum color matching accuracy I might be happy to just use the ColorByte profiles. However, I am, and particularly where soft proofing reliability is concerned. So for the most faithful soft proofing accuracy and overall color accuracy is concerned, I will use mine, but for cases where color matching is less critical than preserving maximum image detail in shadow tonal separations or richest black DMax, then I may consider using theirs. There is no perfect world, I guess (unless I spend a great deal more for my color management tools, perhaps...) Regards, /eddie
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Re: 2200 IP5 Grayscale
2003-01-21 by Eddie Gilbert
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