Just to say that I have had almost no clogging problems in the two years or so that I have used MIS VM and other inks in my 1160 with Paul's curves. Many times my printer sits for extended periods of time while I am printing color work or out of town. At this point Piezo has my interest peaked with their new inks. However, the cost of the software and increased cost of the inks has slowed me down on that expirement. I would give a big thumbs up to the MIS VM ink set and Paul's curves method of making black and white prints. My customers are very satisfied with the results on photorag. One the other hand, I have yet to see a glossy paper that accepts pigment inks without problems of one kind or another! Hope this helps someone during their decision making process. Bill > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other > resources as they are often being updated. 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Re: Lyson SG inks recommendation > From: "cristianbaitg <cristianbaitg@...>" > <cristianbaitg@...> > 2. Neutral Blacks > From: HMSDOC@... > 3. Re: Lyson SG inks recommendation > From: Keith Cooper <yahoogroups@...> > 4. Re: Digest Number 1261 > From: peter nelson <peter@...> > 5. RE: Hi I have a few questions > From: "Loris Medici" <lorism@...> > 6. Print Head Damage? > From: peter nelson <peter@...> > 7. Re: Prints turn to vertical lines > From: "dsmithhfx <dsmithhfx@...>" <dsmithhfx@...> > 8. Re: Lyson SG inks recommendation > From: "cristianbaitg <cristianbaitg@...>" > <cristianbaitg@...> > 9. Re: Lyson SG inks recommendation > From: "sceptre12345 <am1000@...>" <am1000@...> > 10. Re: Piezo Carbon Sepia inks > From: "ingamom <ingamom@...>" <ingamom@...> > 11. Re: 2100/2200 magenta shift problem > From: Tanja Schoutens <tieketan2@...> > 12. Re: Print Head Damage? > From: "tynmansystems <tynmansystems@...>" > <tynmansystems@...> > 13. Re: Hi I have a few questions > From: Jerry Olson <jerryolson@...> > 14. Re: Re: Lyson SG inks recommendation > From: Jerry Olson <jerryolson@...> > 15. Re: Lyson SG inks recommendation > From: Jerry Olson <jerryolson@...> > 16. Re: Hi I have a few questions > From: "max987456 <max987456@...>" <max987456@...> > 17. RE: Hi I have a few questions > From: "Loris Medici" <lorism@...> > 18. Re: Lyson SG inks recommendation > From: "Lloyd O'Daniel" <lodaniel@...> > 19. Re: Hi I have a few questions > From: Jerry Olson <jerryolson@...> > 20. Re: Lyson SG inks recommendation > From: Jerry Olson <jerryolson@...> > 21. new member, ignorant questions > From: "johngeyles <jge@...>" <jge@...> > 22. Re: Lyson SG inks recommendation > From: Keith Cooper <yahoogroups@...> > 23. ImagePrint 5 B and W 1440 or 2880 ? > From: "cliffordfeller <cwfeller@...>" > <cwfeller@...> > 24. Re: 2200 b/w VS 1280 w/Lyson Quads > From: "cliffordfeller <cwfeller@...>" > <cwfeller@...> > 25. Trying Black Only printing > From: "jeades947 <jeades1@...>" <jeades1@...> > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:56:08 -0000 > From: "cristianbaitg <cristianbaitg@...>" <cristianbaitg@...> > Subject: Re: Lyson SG inks recommendation > > I am using now Lyson Small Gamut with Ilford Smooth Pearl Paper. > I really get great results if we do not take into account that this > inks suffer from Metamerism. But Tonal transitions are amazing. You > can give your prints every slight tone you want or leave them > neutral. > I use their profiles for glossy paper and they work very well on > ilford paper. I really think that without metamerism this inks would > be a killer. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 07:09:52 EST > From: HMSDOC@... > Subject: Neutral Blacks > > Interestingly, I did a nozzle check for the first time on my 2200 yesterday > and both of the blacks actually appeared to be a deep brown, one lighter than > the other (using the photo black). > > Howard > > > << That's based on the assumption that the light black is actually > neutral. It's not. Printing with the two blacks will get you a print > with a very varm brown sepia-tone. > >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:15:18 +0000 > From: Keith Cooper <yahoogroups@...> > Subject: Re: Lyson SG inks recommendation > > Hello > > I'd happily recommend Lyson SG inks with their papers. I've had numerous > satisfied clients who really liked the the 'photo-satin' version for their > landscapes (typically ones like on the site below). Lyson papers are not > their own and available in other disguises (check the list resources for > more information) > > Not having a densitometer I can't comment on the actual blackness of their > SG blacks, but someone recently looked at a high contrast still life print > I'd produced on Lyson heavy 310gm fine art paper and said you could almost > push your fingers into the holes of blackness -- not very scientific, but it > gives the right idea :-)) > > The Lyson profiles for SG have been very good on the 1160 I use for B/W > printing. A while ago, I had a chat with someone from Lyson about > profiling. They said that a major difficulty with producing profiles was the > variation between individual printers of the same model. This was one of the > problems I had with quad blacks on my 1160 -- I've seen quad prints produced > on an 1160 which had a far smoother response than mine. For the SG inks I've > not noticed any problems that would induce me to pay for a custom profile > (well maybe when I've got far more spare cash) > > I have at times wondered whether mentioning Lyson inks on the list was a > minor heresy, but I've since discovered that many people do use them and are > just plain happy with the results :-)) :-)) > > bye for now > > Keith Cooper > > Northlight Images > http://northlight-images.co.uk > Photography - Digital Imaging - Apple Mac Consultancy > > Tel +44 (0)116 291 9092 Mobile +44 (0)780 162 9397 > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:10:00 -0500 > From: peter nelson <peter@...> > Subject: Re: Digest Number 1261 > > At 03:53 AM 1/22/2003 +0000, you wrote: > > From: "danielstaver <daniel@...>" <daniel@...> > >Subject: Re: 2100 magenta shift > > > > > What the 2100/2200 needs is a way to use all its blacks, > > > i.e., the dark black AND the light black cartridge, and > > > not any of the colors. This would produce very neutral > > > prints with minimal metamerism, but a less obvious dot > > > pattern than the darkest cartridge alone. > > > >That's based on the assumption that the light black is actually > >neutral. It's not. Printing with the two blacks will get you a print > >with a very varm brown sepia-tone. > > > It's true, that was my assumption. If their light black is > really a light brown then why do they call it light black? > > It's amazing how many of us bought this printer > expecting we could use it for archival color AND > black and white printing and are having problems with > it WRT to black and white. And it wasn't cheap either. > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 15:00:19 +0200 > From: "Loris Medici" <lorism@...> > Subject: RE: Hi I have a few questions > > > Hi Jerry, > > Digital cameras have no grain but a grain-like "CCD noise" which looks > pretty ugly when combined with Bayer interpolation artifacts (we are > speaking about consumer/prosumer level cameras here). For detailed > information you may read the "in depth reviews" and "learn/glossary" > sections of the wonderful Digital Photography Review > (http://www.dpreview.com) site - every review has a section dedicated to > noise evaluation/comparison and hot/stuck pixels. > > Regards, > Loris. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jerry Olson [mailto:jerryolson@...] > > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 6:58 PM > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Hi I have a few questions > > > > > > I can't understand this at all. Digital cameras HAVE NO grain! > > > > What model and brand of printer are you using? > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:22:28 -0500 > From: peter nelson <peter@...> > Subject: Print Head Damage? > > This is a simplified version of a question I asked earlier. > > I recently bought a 2200 and I'm enjoying its ability > to print on a wide variety of media. So far I've printed > on brown paper (bag) paper, artist's watercolor paper > (Canson 140# cold press), and gesso'd canvas. Last > night I printed on a brown, toothed paper I use for pastels > and then applied pastels afterwards. It looked really nice > and I think my figure photography done using this > technique might be salable. > > THE QUESTION: some people on another forum > (Photo.Net) have warned that printing on oddball media > might damage the print heads. They offered no basis for > ecxpet speculation. I did extensive Google searches > on phrases like "print head damage", "damage your > print heads", etc, etc, and the only hits I got had to > do with using 3rd-party inks - nothing about the media. > > How do I assess the risks of damaging my print heads > using oddball media? > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:18:07 -0000 > From: "dsmithhfx <dsmithhfx@...>" <dsmithhfx@...> > Subject: Re: Prints turn to vertical lines > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steven > Karafyllakis <stevek@e...>" <stevek@e...> wrote: > > An update- I've never turned of the spooling before-it seems ti fix > > the problem, but Quark Xpress, out of which I'm printing this, > > freezes until the print job is done. It didn't register before, but > > this only happens when printing out of Quark 4.0. So... the rule of > > thumb is, 'the more expensive the software the buggier it is'??? > > > > Steve K > > Well if you turn off spooling, your pc is 100% dedicated to the print > job, instead of running it in the background. If you have another pc, > you could use that as a print server. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:44:37 -0000 > From: "cristianbaitg <cristianbaitg@...>" <cristianbaitg@...> > Subject: Re: Lyson SG inks recommendation > > Hi Keith: > > I am also using Small Gamut inks. Until now it is by far the best > solution I have came across. I love the subtle tonalities you get > with this inks. I also like very much the amout of control you get > if you know how to tame the beast of photoshop. > > But I also have a problem with metamerism. I can tell you that so > far the best paper (on the gloss or pearl league) that is not so > sensitive to this is the ILFORD SMOOTH PEARL. I like it even better > than Lyson Proffesional Photo Satin. But still....when I get > incredible pictures on halogen or tungsten light they turn green > under daylight. Do you think that there is any paper that avoids > this or do we have to wait that lyson comes out with a improved > version of SG. > > As I said I LOVE THIS INKS. I only trying to see if I get rid off > metamerism. On all other aspects this inks really have exceeded my > best expectations. > > Regards > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 9 > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:32:24 -0000 > From: "sceptre12345 <am1000@...>" <am1000@...> > Subject: Re: Lyson SG inks recommendation > > Hi, > > It is my understanding that black&white inkjet prints made with color > inks (dyes or pigs) will result in metamerism being present to any > degree whatever the gamut of the inkset used. > > It is also my understanding that b&w inkjet prints made with quad > inkset such as those from MIS or Inkjetmall are relatively free of > metamerism. > > What are your views on this ? > > Cheers, > Andre > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "cristianbaitg > <cristianbaitg@h...>" <cristianbaitg@h...> wrote: > > Hi Keith: > > > > I am also using Small Gamut inks. > > > snip... > > > > As I said I LOVE THIS INKS. I only trying to see if I get rid off > > metamerism. On all other aspects this inks really have exceeded my > > best expectations. > > > > Regards > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 10 > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 15:30:02 -0000 > From: "ingamom <ingamom@...>" <ingamom@...> > Subject: Re: Piezo Carbon Sepia inks > > Thanks for your suggestion. I have switched to the MIS VMS inkset and > while I'm still experimenting with them, I have made several lovely > prints. I love the fact that I can change profiles and get different > variations of sepia, even neutral tone prints. > Evelyn > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "rvdryst" > <reinier@s...> wrote: > > Evelyn > > > > Have you tried the FS Sepia inkset? K and three shades of sepia. > > > > Reinier > > Secunda, South Africa > > > > > > From: <ingamom@y...> > > Subject: [Digital BW] Piezo Carbon Sepia inks > > > > > > , they are just not brown > > > enough for my needs. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 11 > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 07:30:53 -0800 (PST) > From: Tanja Schoutens <tieketan2@...> > Subject: Re: 2100/2200 magenta shift problem > > > It's very strange indeed. I use 2 printers 2100, and did not see any problem. > Both printers deliver the same picture. (I work on Mac) > Martin Sluka <martinsluka@...> wrote:At 11:48 -0800 20.1.2003, Tanja > Schoutens wrote: > ******************************************* > >(The maximum for a print on this kind of paper is 1440 dpi.) > >Tanja. > > But way two identical printers under identical conditions printed two > different pictures - and only visible difference in setup was dimmed > 2880 dpi in driver. > > Is this possible? > > Martin > -- > > Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other > resources as they are often being updated. 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Sign up now > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 12 > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:21:12 -0000 > From: "tynmansystems <tynmansystems@...>" <tynmansystems@...> > Subject: Re: Print Head Damage? > > Not sure how you would assess the risks of damaging your print heads, > but... > I recall seeing somewhere on the web a detailed saga by someone who > had hopelessly clogged heads on an Epson Photo printer and who had > removed the head assembly from the printer to explore what exactly > was plugged and to try different things to get it unclogged. The web > page had a number of very clear pictures of the head assembly. The > part of the print head that faces the paper surface did not appear to > be at all delicate. It looked like a block of steel with a bunch of > very fine apertures through which (I presume) the inks eject. My > impression was that the head is not really subject to damage from > media. > > ...Ben > > > > THE QUESTION: some people on another forum > > (Photo.Net) have warned that printing on oddball media > > might damage the print heads. They offered no basis for > > ecxpet speculation. I did extensive Google searches > > on phrases like "print head damage", "damage your > > print heads", etc, etc, and the only hits I got had to > > do with using 3rd-party inks - nothing about the media. > > > > How do I assess the risks of damaging my print heads > > using oddball media? > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 13 > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:39:01 -0600 > From: Jerry Olson <jerryolson@...> > Subject: Re: Hi I have a few questions > > Lois, I have the Canon D60, with a CMOS chip. Absolutely no grain, no > noise, until you get above ISO 400. > > Jerry > > > > Loris Medici wrote: > > Hi Jerry, > > > > Digital cameras have no grain but a grain-like "CCD noise" which looks > > pretty ugly when combined with Bayer interpolation artifacts (we are > > speaking about consumer/prosumer level cameras here). For detailed > > information you may read the "in depth reviews" and "learn/glossary" > > sections of the wonderful Digital Photography Review > > (http://www.dpreview.com) site - every review has a section dedicated to > > noise evaluation/comparison and hot/stuck pixels. > > > > Regards, > > Loris. > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Jerry Olson [mailto:jerryolson@...] > >>Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 6:58 PM > >>To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > >>Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Hi I have a few questions > >> > >> > >>I can't understand this at all. Digital cameras HAVE NO grain! > >> > >>What model and brand of printer are you using? > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other > resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > - Include your full name with your message. > > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > &amp;quot;flames.&amp;quot; > > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various > resources on the homepage. > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 14 > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:42:20 -0600 > From: Jerry Olson <jerryolson@...> > Subject: Re: Re: Lyson SG inks recommendation > > That's about right. > > Jerry > > > > sceptre12345 wrote: > > Hi, > > > > It is my understanding that black&white inkjet prints made with color > > inks (dyes or pigs) will result in metamerism being present to any > > degree whatever the gamut of the inkset used. > > > > It is also my understanding that b&w inkjet prints made with quad > > inkset such as those from MIS or Inkjetmall are relatively free of > > metamerism. > > > > What are your views on this ? > > > > Cheers, > > Andre > > > > > > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "cristianbaitg > > <cristianbaitg@h...>" <cristianbaitg@h...> wrote: > > > >>Hi Keith: > >> > >>I am also using Small Gamut inks. > >> > > > > snip... > > > >>As I said I LOVE THIS INKS. I only trying to see if I get rid off > >>metamerism. On all other aspects this inks really have exceeded my > >>best expectations. > >> > >>Regards > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other > resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > - Include your full name with your message. > > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > &amp;quot;flames.&amp;quot; > > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various > resources on the homepage. > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 15 > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:44:27 -0600 > From: Jerry Olson <jerryolson@...> > Subject: Re: Lyson SG inks recommendation > > Take a look at the MIS VM quad or hex inks. Substitute the MIS VM black > for the enhanced black from generations 4 > from media street. It is a deeper black. > > Lyson SG are fine, but have excessive metamerism. > > > Jerry > > > > kalex wrote: > > Hello. > > > > > > > > I've been a long time reader of the group and this is my first time > > posting. I just ran out of my Piezo inks and I need to order > > replacements. I've read about Piezo tone inks and was wondering if > > there is anything else available. When I was searching I came upon Lyson > > SG inks and I'm wondering if anyone could recommend them. I just looked > > through lyson website and found profiles to use with their paper. Are > > there other profiles available to use with different papers? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other > resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > - Include your full name with your message. > > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > &amp;quot;flames.&amp;quot; > > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various > resources on the homepage. > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 16 > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:50:12 -0000 > From: "max987456 <max987456@...>" <max987456@...> > Subject: Re: Hi I have a few questions > > > Absolutely no grain, no > > noise, until you get above ISO 400. > > Don't you want at least a little noise? > > I mean, if you took a picture of an evenly lit gray card, you'd get > an image with each and every pixel the exact same value? Or if it > had a nice light falloff, it'd look like using the gradient tool? > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 17 > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 20:15:59 +0200 > From: "Loris Medici" <lorism@...> > Subject: RE: Hi I have a few questions > > > That's a pro SLR... not a consumer/prosumer grade product. > > I personally favour grain in mono work; I like the texture, look and > feel it adds to the image. I frequently find myself artificially adding > grain/noise to the image in Photoshop - I gues I'm a grain addict (it > depends on the image of course)... Despite being this way; I just can't > bear the too orderly, patterned, non natural look of the noise in most > digital cameras (inspect the sky in most images and you'll understand > what I mean). This was the main reason that lead me to sell my 3Mp > digital camera (Casio QV3000) just a couple of months later (this was 2 > years ago)... > > Regards, > Loris. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jerry Olson [mailto:jerryolson@...] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 6:39 PM > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Hi I have a few questions > > > > > > Lois, I have the Canon D60, with a CMOS chip. Absolutely no > > grain, no > > noise, until you get above ISO 400. > > > > Jerry > > > > > > > > Loris Medici wrote: > > > Hi Jerry, > > > > > > Digital cameras have no grain but a grain-like "CCD noise" > > which looks > > > pretty ugly when combined with Bayer interpolation > > artifacts (we are > > > speaking about consumer/prosumer level cameras here). For detailed > > > information you may read the "in depth reviews" and > > "learn/glossary" > > > sections of the wonderful Digital Photography Review > > > (http://www.dpreview.com) site - every review has a section > > dedicated > > > to noise evaluation/comparison and hot/stuck pixels. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Loris. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 18 > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:49:38 -0600 > From: "Lloyd O'Daniel" <lodaniel@...> > Subject: Re: Lyson SG inks recommendation > > Jerry, > I've read reports here of incessant clogging with MIS VM inks. Have you > experienced this? I've been very lucky with my 1200/Gen4 NMC CIS printer. > I've used that combo for about 3 years now with very few clogs, even when > leaving the printer idle for long periods. I guess it helps to live in the > humid southeast. > > Lloyd > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 10:44 AM > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Lyson SG inks recommendation > > > > Take a look at the MIS VM quad or hex inks. Substitute the MIS VM black > > for the enhanced black from generations 4 > > from media street. It is a deeper black. > > > > Lyson SG are fine, but have excessive metamerism. > > > > > > Jerry > > > > > > > > kalex wrote: > > > Hello. > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been a long time reader of the group and this is my first time > > > posting. I just ran out of my Piezo inks and I need to order > > > replacements. I've read about Piezo tone inks and was wondering if > > > there is anything else available. When I was searching I came upon Lyson > > > SG inks and I'm wondering if anyone could recommend them. I just looked > > > through lyson website and found profiles to use with their paper. Are > > > there other profiles available to use with different papers? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and > other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > > - Include your full name with your message. > > > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to > keep them short. > > > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject > header. > > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > &amp;quot;flames.&amp;quot; > > > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > > > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various > resources on the homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.
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MIS VM Inks with Roark
2003-01-23 by billbs@attbi.com