<<FWIW....When I took the Epson Print Academy workshop they recommended
scanning b/w from a good print rather than from a b/w neg.
Jerry in Houston>>
Jerry, I am signed up for the Epson Print Academy in Charlotte the beginning
of March. Did you find it to be worthwhile? I have been printing with
Epsons for a good while including the 1280--usually with color management.
I recently bought a 2200 and thought this might be of value in coming to
grips with its use and pigmented inks in general. I realize it will have an
'Epson' curve to it, but in general did you feel you came away with some
good information?
Thanks,
Diane
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photo site http://www.pbase.com/picnic
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There are 9 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. [DigitalBW] Re: Help with MIS orig quadtone inkset
From: "lsolszewski <lsolszewski@...>"
<lsolszewski@...>
2. Re: LaCie vs. Sony vs. Mitsubishi
From: Lawrence Smith <lsmith@...>
3. Re: LaCie vs. Sony vs. Mitsubishi
From: aitor Pe\ufffda Incl\ufffdn <aitorpinclan@...>
4. LaCie vs. Sony vs. Mitsubishi
From: Andrew Rodney <andrew@...>
5. Epson 1520, MIS QVM Workflow Curves
From: "iyermish <ira@...>" <ira@...>
6. Re: metamerism
From: Jon Adams <hi5photos@...>
7. Re: b&w neg or colour transparency
From: glewis4457@...
8. Re: LCD vs CRT for a new monitor? -views sought
From: "Stephen A. Tucker <stephentucker@...>"
<stephentucker@...>
9. Re: LaCie vs. Sony vs. Mitsubishi
From: Lawrence Smith <lsmith@...>
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 09:10:55 -0000
From: "lsolszewski <lsolszewski@...>" <lsolszewski@...>
Subject: [DigitalBW] Re: Help with MIS orig quadtone inkset
Thank you. I will look up the Brandin workflow. I neglected to inform
that I am using an Epson 3000 printer. Thanks again, -Lou.
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "John/Julie
Gittins" <jgittins2@m...> wrote:
> On 1/29/03 9:16 PM, "Lou <elgha2001@y...>" wrote:
>
> > I decided to try digi bw printing. My friend suggested MIS
> > inks. I called and was directed to the original formula, which
does
> > not seem to work with Paul's curves (I was impressed with his
> > prints). Can anyone suggest a workflow for this combination of
ink
> > and printer?
>
> I used MIS original quads until late last spring (w/ 1160 and 740).
> These inks have a warm tone which increases some for a while
> as a print ages. I used Chris Brandin's (partitioned) workflow.
> I was pretty satisfied with it (used it from the time it was first
> posted on the MIS site, about Dec. 2000). His workflow was
> developed specifically for the original quads, and he provides
> clear instructions, as well as curves for a number of different
papers.
> I shifted to the Randall and the Woolf workflows, which are keyed
> to the MIS's "Full Spectrum" inkset, because I wanted a more
neutral
> tone and a darker black. At present, though, I don't see my
Brandin
> workflow prints as obviously inferior to prints from the other
> two. So I'd suggest using it with your MIS original quads.
>
> One caution to mention if you're using cartridges: I discovered
> that the positioning of the 3 tones in the grays cartridge differs
> depending on whether it's an "original" or a "full spectrum". So
> the Brandin workflow doesn't work with FS inks, and the Randall
> and Woolf workflows won't work with MIS's standard positioning
> of the grays in the original inkset cartridge.
>
> John
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 07:39:17 -0500
From: Lawrence Smith <lsmith@...>
Subject: Re: LaCie vs. Sony vs. Mitsubishi
On 1/29/03 11:31 PM, "mfp90021 <mfp90021@...>" <mfp90021@...>
wrote:
> (LaCie is not OS X compatible).
There is an OSX version of BlueEye on the Lacie website. I've been using it
for a couple of months...
Lawrence
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:05:03 +0100
From: aitor Pe\ufffda Incl\ufffdn <aitorpinclan@...>
Subject: Re: LaCie vs. Sony vs. Mitsubishi
El 30/1/03 13:39, "Lawrence Smith" <lsmith@...> escribi\ufffd:
>
> There is an OSX version of BlueEye on the Lacie website. I've been using
it
> for a couple of months...
>
I have install it but don't work.. : -(
Aitor
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 07:13:24 -0700
From: Andrew Rodney <andrew@...>
Subject: LaCie vs. Sony vs. Mitsubishi
>Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 04:31:32 -0000
> From: "mfp90021 <mfp90021@...>" <mfp90021@...>
> Lately I have seen the emergence of 2 new CRT monitors that are
> designed to be calibrated with their own calibrator. Before it was
> just the LaCie, now we also have the Mitsubishi 2070 with SpectraView
> and the Sony Artisan. Having never been happy with my LaCie I was
> wondering what the response has been to the other two mentioned. A
> Mitsubishi sales tech number told me that the calibrating process for
> the 2070 with SpectraView only takes two minutes rather than the 10-15
> minutes I suffer with the LaCie and the software was compatible with
> OS X, OS 9, and Windows 98 (LaCie is not OS X compatible). He
> was also raving that the 2070 was more color accurate, brighter, and
> had a better tube than the tubes they manufacture for LaCie. I am
> hoping that somebody has some real world experience with these
> monitors and could offer some advise.
I have a LaCie Blue III and a Sony Artisan (had the original Mitsubishi
Spectraview). No question that the Artisan is the top dog here. So good in
fact I sold my $5000 Barco Reference V and replaced it with the Artisan. It
takes about 12 minutes to do a full calibration but it's worth the wait. The
LaCie is better now with the new software I've been running but I'd rather
have two Artisan's! Here's a test you can try to see how well the black
accuracy is of your calibrated display (courtesy of Bruce Fraser who's Real
World Color Management is now out and a MUST read):
Launch Photoshop.
Make a new document (size isn\ufffdt important)
Fill the document with black (you can use the fill command)
Zoom in so document fills screen
Using the rectangle marquee tool (no feather), make a selection in the
center (size isn\ufffdt important but don\ufffdt make it tiny)
Hide the marching ants (command H)
Click on tab key then F key so ALL you see is black!
You should see JUST a black screen (no palettes or menus).
Call up the Curves dialog (command M)
If possible move it to the side or better, to a 2nd display.
Ok, click as carefully as you can on the BOTTOM curve point that represents
0/0/0 (black). Using your arrow keys, move the up arrow one click at a time
until you can see separation between pure black outside the marquee and the
new values in the marquee.
On my Artisan, I can see a difference between 0/0/0 and either 1/1/1 or
2/2/2! On most other displays, I have to move the levels up to 6 or more.
Also look at the neutrality as you move the arrow key up and make the inside
square lighter. Do they remain neutral or do you see a color shift (usually
magenta). On the Artisan, the lighter square remains dead nuts neutral
appearing.
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:34:54 -0000
From: "iyermish <ira@...>" <ira@...>
Subject: Epson 1520, MIS QVM Workflow Curves
I found myself with a FREE Epson 1520 (I think I now know why it was
free) and thought it might be an inexpensive way to get 16x20
digital b&W prints. I purchased a couple of MIS QVM carts for the
printer and have attempted to build a set of Photoshop curves using
some of the curves on the MIS site as a starter. The closest set
was the 1160. I'm close to some curves that matches printing on the
standard color set of my 2000P, but not quite there. I probably
could bang my head against the curves wall for another long night
and get it right, but I need my sleep. By some chance is there
someone out there that has a set of neutral and slightly warm curves
for this combination? I'm printing on Epson Archival Matte.
Thanks,
Ira
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 06:56:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Jon Adams <hi5photos@...>
Subject: Re: metamerism
I am a little confused about metameriam. Is that
the effect one gets when viewing a print from a
variety of perspectives where it appears that the tone
of the inks seem to change? If so, it appears to me
that the problem lies in the areas of the print where
less to no ink is applied. If my assumption is correct
then I think the solution would be for Epson to make
room for an additional cartridge that would apply a
clear coat to those areas where less to no ink has
been applied. By the same token, I have observed this
effect on many different types of prints, not just
inkjets.
Jon Adams
hi5photos@...
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 10:28:04 EST
From: glewis4457@...
Subject: Re: b&w neg or colour transparency
In a message dated 1/29/2003 11:01:17 AM Central Standard Time,
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com writes:
> On Monday, January 27, 2003, at 07:25 PM, Bill Iverson
> <wiverson@...> wrote:
>
> >How about color negative vs. B&W negative? ...
>
> For a year I tried shooting the finest-grained color negative film I could
> find -- Konica Impresa 50. However, after that extended experiment, I
> returned to B&W film. The increased grain after "filtration" in the
> computer out-weighed the advantages of the color information.
>
FWIW....When I took the Epson Print Academy workshop they recommended
scanning b/w from a good print rather than from a b/w neg.
Jerry in Houston
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:54:23 -0000
From: "Stephen A. Tucker <stephentucker@...>"
<stephentucker@...>
Subject: Re: LCD vs CRT for a new monitor? -views sought
Keith,
I bought an NEC MultiSync 17" LCD1700M+ spring of 2002 for $699 less
$50 rebate from Circuit City for use with a PC - I'm sure it is
considerably cheaper now. I LOVE it. Ironically, space saving, not
photography was why I purchased it to begin with.
I've calibrated it with the Pantone ColorVision Spyder and am
reproducing the art work of others for extra income. My customers
are happy, I'm happy. What more can I say?
Steve Tucker
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Keith Cooper
<yahoogroups@n...> wrote:
> Hello
>
> I'm interested to hear people's views on the relative merits of
CRTs and
> LCDs for photo work(b/w and colour). A browse of the web suggests
that LCDs
> are not quite there yet for exacting uses (limited gamut/viewing
angles)
> -unless you want to spend a lot of money.
>
> The only person I know who uses an LCD for critical work, uses an
Apple 23"
> one that they bolt to the desk before I visit - I see its price
has just
> been reduced to $1999 :-))
>
>
> bye for now
>
> Keith Cooper
>
> Northlight Images
> http://northlight-images.co.uk
> Photography - Digital Imaging - Apple Mac Consultancy
>
> Tel +44 (0)116 291 9092 Mobile +44 (0)780 162 9397
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:10:07 -0500
From: Lawrence Smith <lsmith@...>
Subject: Re: LaCie vs. Sony vs. Mitsubishi
On 1/30/03 9:13 AM, "Andrew Rodney" <andrew@...> wrote:
> On my Artisan, I can see a difference between 0/0/0 and either 1/1/1 or
> 2/2/2! On most other displays, I have to move the levels up to 6 or more.
On my LaCie it's 4.
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