Digital BW, The Print

I've worked with IP5 on a 7000 several times - although I'm by no means an
expert. My problems with it is that the dither pattern is sometimes
'crude' - as is the Epson. And that you are totally dependent on Colourbyte
for profiles. You can't linearise the inks yourself or provide ICC profiles.
Some people have reported delays of 6 months before they receive the IP
profile for particular ink/paper. You aretotally locked into one supplier.

Julian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shire,Stanley" <sshire@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 4:49 PM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: WHEN will we get simple, reliable BW
printing??


> As a customer and user of IP (with no fiscal interest at all in
> COLORBYTE (no S on the end), I can say that they are far, far from
> sleazy. They are extremely responsive to customers and, as a small
> company, can actually do fixes very quickly. With IP4 and some (not a
> lot) of Epson 10000CF printers, there was a banding problem. They
> actually wrote a new driver for this small batch of printers in a very
> short period of time.
> Based on your messages, I'm not sure if you are generally suspicious
> (which is a good thing since it's your $$)or just not sure about new
> stuff.
> It would seem that the simplest solution would be to get the demo
> version of Imageprint from Colorbyte and try it. You can't download
> this; they'll send it.
> S.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: peter nelson [mailto:peter@...]
> Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 10:00 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: WHEN will we get simple, reliable BW
> printing??
>
> At 12:19 AM 2/9/2003 +0000, DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> wrote:
> >I am using the 2200 for both color and grayscale. My results with
> George
> >Lepp's profiles are very good. My results with Imageprint 5 are
> spectacular.
> >Lovely tonal scale, very smooth transitions and minimal (almost not
> there)
> >metamerism. I have carried a print to various places (tungsten,
> OttLite,
> >fluorescent (most varieties), daylight, etc.
> >I am really considering IP5 as a part of the 2200 "system."
>
> Since metamerism is a property of the ink, how/why would a RIP
> or a profile be able to fix it?
>
> I've been reluctant to invest in a RIP that costs almost as much
> as the printer, since the real purpose of a RIP is not color
> adjustment, but managing and automating a commercial print shop.
> Most of the features that you're paying for in the IP RIP have
> no relevance to amateur photography printing.   But in any
> case I still want to hear how a RIP fixes metamerism.
>
> Also, I contacted Colorbytes to ask where i could see sample
> output and they said they don't "do" that.  It made them seem
> rather sleazy to me.
>
> BTW, I've also talked to other people who say that got better
> results with the Epson grayscale balancer than with the IP
> RIP, and other people who say they they don't see any
> metamerism with the default Epson profiles.
>
> ---peter
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