Jeff, here are some of my opinions following your comments: > I'm a little confused as to what the new PiezograpgyBW ICC... what am I buying, the ICC profiles? Yes, they work with the Epson driver (hence they are platform independent ). However, I haven't seen or compared results from this solution compared to others. It is still not a shipping product as far as I know. > What difference would I see between an Epson 1160 and Epson 1280 for the piezo system? If by piezo system you mean the old plug-in, the difference would be that the 1160 is faster than the 1280. The plug-in is no longer part of "piezo" (as marketed under Jon Cone's "piezography" system), but part of the R9 / Sundance system. The other difference is that the 1160 will put down bigger device dots than the 1280 (a generational difference). Also the 1160 is long out of production, while the 1280 is still around as new. > > I'm trying to decide between ImagePrint for my Epson 2200 and a separate piezo system. I know IP will not match a peizo system WRT B&W output, but it does beat it for convenience and toning ability. I haven't tried IP for the 2200, but from previous experience, it would beat the Epson driver for color. So, if you are serious about color prints on the 2200, it may be worth the expense. For bw, it's another story (see below). How about Cone Piezography versus MIS? You are comparing apples and oranges there: Jon's Piezography system is made up of both inks and software. When the ICC profiles get released, they will be a match to the Piezotone inks. In that sense, it's a "system". MIS, on the other hand, only makes inks. Thanks to Paul Roark and the RGB workflows, many people are using the inks with the Epson driver and without the cost of software. Debates always go on regarding which is the best system, but MIS is not a "system" in the way Piezography is. If you buy the inks from MIS you have to decide on a driver for them. >I've seen large prints by Jamie Drouin (http://www.jamiedrouin.com/) done on the MIS inks using an 1160 and they are simply amazing. For a long time, many people have been using some MIS inks with the old plug in (or the piezo pro). That' was made possible because the MIS inks matched the densities of the piezo inks so they can be used with the pizeo software. > I was hoping for a solution that would work with my Epson 2200 (I would like to do some color printing) but beyond ImagePrint it doesn't look likely right now. Check back the archives of the list for the discussion on Open Print Maker (OPM) and InkjetControl (IJC). OPM is currently a free download with profiles that can get you bw from the 2200, and IJC retails for under $200 and allows you to make profiles to your liking. A blender function on OPM allows you to blend between profiles (to control color toning). In my opinion a system based on user made profiles and not dependent on the Epson driver "black box" will produce superior results to canned profiles. The limitations of this approach is (a) it won't solve your color problem (but is cheaper than IP) (b) currently only works on Mac OS 8 and 9 (c) if you really want to get away from canned profiles and get the most from IJC you will need a densitometer. On the plus side, (a) it is a currently shipping product, (b) as users make profiles, they can share them (c) if you get IJC you can tweak an existing profile by eye (not as accurate as a densitometer, but will do in a pinch) as well as solve other issues, such as mixing and matching inksets for coloration in different positions, check indivicual jets for banding etc. (d) besides the 2200, it supports the 1160, 1280 and others (see the release info below). For more info on IJC/OPM: http://www.bowhaus.com/inkjetcontrol/ For questions: software@... My opinions are based on extensive beta testing of IJC/OPM as well as previous printing experience with ImagePrint and the original piezo plug in. I have used the 1160, 1280, 2200 and the 7000 and 9500 with various combinations of inks and software. Of the bw inksets I am most familiar with the PiezoTones and the original piezo inks. Hope this helps... Antonis
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Re: Considering Piezo system, a few questions...
2003-04-08 by Antonis Ricos
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