I'll contribute a bit to this thread, too. I've used the Lyson Quad Blacks in cartridges in my S9000 a few times over the past few months (swapped them for the color carts a couple of times since I don't have a spare print head or a separate dedicated color printer (except an old Epson 860 which takes >10 minutes to do an 8x10, so I avoid using it when I can.)) I'm on my second "set" of cartridges, and they are indeed very expensive things, but I just got a full set of the bulk inks (6 bottles) from Marrutt in England last week - ordered Tuesday on line, and the box arrived in the mail on Saturday in the middle of the US. Actual charge to my VISA was $161 (shipping is included in the price of the inks.) This makes for some very reasonably priced ink per print, delivered very quickly. I now have a set of filled virgin carts just waiting for the "commercial" models to run dry. My observations are that in daylight, Quad Black prints on Ilford Classic Gloss are dead neutral, while in incandescent they have a slightly magenta cast, which varies somewhat with the particular light bulb illuminating them. However, the change is not particularly unpleasant (to me, at least) and are certainly no worse that the shift I see in the B&W prints I did last Christmas using OEM color inks (those prints look more neutral under tungsten, for which I tried to balance them, but they have a somewhat greenish tone in daylight, but not uniformly so - some but not all of them are starting to show a shift in tone in some areas of the print.) I have had absolutely no ink clogging issues with the Lyson - never anything but a perfect nozzle check, although these were always with Lyson brand cartridges, and it remains to be seen whether my refills are as reliable. I've decided to use the Ilford Classic Gloss paper for my volume production (I do 800-1000 prints at Christmas, that get bound into 9 different books for different relatives - have done this for decades with chemical prints, last year did half and half chemical/digital, and this year will be all digital). It is reasonably priced, and made even more so by being available in 250 sheet boxes. Lyson papers are supposedly going to be available in large boxes as well, but I haven't seen any prices yet, and frankly I like the look of the ink on the Ilford paper better than on the Lyson Pro Gloss paper. I have not yet seen a Quad Black print on the Lyson Monochrome Gloss paper, as I haven't been able to find any of that in the US yet. The Ilford paper does take some time to dry - I just hang a print up by the corner with a clothes pin on a wire in my darkroom, just like I used to do with RC chemical prints. Those are my thoughts and experience for now. Cheers, Kip
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[Digital BW] Re: LYSON QUAD BLACK WITH CANON S9000
2003-06-17 by Kip Babington
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