Digital BW, The Print

Paul and group,

I'm also 'just starting out' and you've just answered most of my 
questions in the previous reply.  But .........

Please excuse my questions since I'm sure they must be very basic.

Is the following true?
  For warm tone: 
    Black position: Eboni
    All color positions: UT hextone Light/Photo Cyan

  For neutral tone:
    Black position: Eboni
    All color positions: custom UT neutral mix?


Do I need to tell them the mix percentages for the neutral ink?

Will MIS have stock numbers for all this or will it be delt with on a 
custom basis per customer?


Also to other members looking for the C82:
One 'Staples' in Seattle,WA ($70) and one 'Best Buy' in Olympia,WA 
($80) still have some in stock - at much better prices than the 
internet venders I looked at.


Thanks.
David Polasek
dp4391@...






--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Darko,
> 
> >If I want to try UT/C82 today, what C82 cartridges,
> >inks and/or tools I have to order?
> 
> MIS has the C82 (through Amazon, I think) as do others on the 
internet and
> elsewhere, the C82 empty carts (you may have to call MIS on this), 
and the
> inks.
> 
> Eboni goes into the black spot.  For the warm, pure carbon tone, UT 
hextone
> Light/Photo cyan goes into all 3 color spots.  (While the carts and 
inks are
> the same, the chips are specific to the color -- at first.  So, the 
yellow
> chip must be on the cart that goes into the yellow position.  After 
the
> first use, however, that cart can then be put into the other 
spots.  This
> becomes relevant if you want a medium warm tone where you'll be 
mixing the
> warm and neutral ink carts.)
> 
> The neutral ink is a new mix.  I'd wait until MIS mixes it for 
you.  Mixing
> small batches to the needed accuracy, especially without an 
expensive
> scales, is a problem.
> 
> As to other tools, if you have Photoshop, that's great.  However, 
any image
> editor will do.  I recommend Picture Window 3.5 as a starting 
program.  It
> can be downloaded from Digital Light & Color for free as a trial 
and then
> $50.  If you like it, the Pro version is 16 bit, which is nice.
> 
> One big reason I like Picture Window is that it is simple, cheap, 
and allows
> use of Photoshop curves.  That gives you an easy migration route to 
the
> bigger printers and more complex workflows.
> 
> As to scanners, it really depends on what your originals are.
> 
> >Do you recommend waiting for pre-filled
> >cartridges or refilling is easy enough?
> 
> If you're just starting out, I think you might be better off 
waiting for
> pre-loaded carts.  The carts MIS received were not what they 
expected, and
> they are not easy to fill to capacity at home.  I'm only putting 12 
cc into
> them, whereas they should take 16 cc.  (Ink squirts out the vent 
holes when
> more is put in via the easy bottom-fill method.)  So, I'll have to 
change
> carts when the ink monitor reads only 75% used.  MIS (or their 
contractor)
> can do it with vacuums, which is the best way to do these, but it's 
complex.
> 
> You might call to see when they'll be available.  (I'll also e-mail 
MIS to
> see if I can get a schedule.)
> 
> If its going to be long, then touch base with me and I'll see what 
the
> alternatives are to get you started.
> 
> Have fun.
> 
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com
> ______________________________________
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > Jim,
> >
> > > What would you all recommend as an affordable basic setup
> > >consisting of a printer, inks, papers, software, and perhaps a
> scanner?
> >
> > I just finished my "affordable & easy" printer project.  I've been
> > determined to bring archival B&W to even non-technical types for 
as
> little
> > initial $ outlay as possible, and I think it's done.  My target 
has
> been the
> > genealogists and scrapbook makers who need to be able to copy,
> restore, and
> > archival old family photos, but this is a solution that is also
> ideal for
> > anyone who wants a simple, basic but very good archival printing
> system.
> > (Have you noticed how many of the people who lost their homes to
> fire
> > mentioned the loss of their old family photos as most heart-
> breaking.  The
> > valuable old ones should have been copied and given to relatives.
> It's the
> > best insurance.)
> >
> > While the Epson 1280 with MIS Ultra Tone ("UT") inks is the most
> flexible,
> > state-of-the-art combination, the Epson C82 with UT-derived inks 
is
> the
> > affordable, easy way to go.
> >
> > With the C82 there are no RIPs or special software.  Just print 
the
> B&W
> > files from any application.  There are some Epson driver settings
> that
> > matter (EEM paper type, "Best Photo", ICM, No Color Adjustment,
> High Speed
> > off).  But this is about as simple as it gets.
> >
> > The C82 is at the end of it's life cycle, but they are still
> available from
> > $69.  Epson probably has refurbished ones and others have new
> ones.  The
> > refurbs are as good as new and covered by a new warranty.
> >
> > The C82 is made for pigmented inks, using the Epson Durabrite inks
> for
> > color.  These are as durable as (probably the same as) the Epson
> UltraChrome
> > color pigments.  For color, these are fine for archival storage 
and
> display.
> > They have a 70+ year display life.
> >
> > The inks for B&W are from MIS (www.inksupply.com).  They are based
> on the
> > Ultra Tone inks.  This is a pigmented inkset which uses
> predominantly carbon
> > black.  For the warm C82 ink, the UT light cyan is perfect.  It
> goes into
> > all the color positions of the C82.  The black ink is MIS Eboni.
> >
> > For a neutral (slight "selenium" tone), I've just finished the
> formula.  It
> > basically ads 14% blue (cyan + magenta pigments) to the UT medium
> gray.
> >
> > MIS will pre-load these inks into cartridges and, I assume, also
> sell them
> > as bulk inks.  I expect them to load the carts ASAP.
> >
> > These inks, in the UT or raw form, have been more fade resistant 
in
> my
> > initial fade testing than have the Epson Archival inks, which have
> been
> > rated at 200+ years of display life by Epson.  The carbon ink in
> the UT
> > inkset will probably last longer than our civilization when 
printed
> on
> > buffered cotton paper and stored appropriately; they are very
> archival from
> > what I can tell.
> >
> > The best papers for the system are Epson Enhanced Matte for medium
> term,
> > very affordable display.  (It's acidic, so it's rated at only 110
> years of
> > dark storage by Wilhelm.  High humidity and temperature could
> shorten this
> > significantly.  It's my main paper for general printing.)  For a
> cotton
> > paper that should be archival, Hahnemuhle PhotoRag is the most
> popular and
> > what I recommend for the C82.  It gives a dmax of 1.60, which is
> very
> > competitive for a cotton paper.  www.MediaStreet.com sells this
> as "Royal
> > Renaissance" for a reasonable price.
> >
> > For the old-photo restoration folks, Epson and Canon both have 
good
> flatbed
> > scanners for about $50.  If you do film get a 4000 dpi Nikon or
> equivalent.
> >
> > For basic, affordable image editing the $50 version of Picture
> Window seems
> > to be the way to go.  A trial program can be downloaded from
> Digital Light &
> > Color at http://www.dl-c.com/Temp/.  One advantage to this program
> is that
> > is can use the Photoshop image adjustment curves that are needed 
to
> control
> > many of the more complex, partitioned B&W inksets if you want to
> migrate to,
> > for example, the 1280 & UT inkset for large (13") paper.
> >
> > Enjoy the journey.
> >
> > Paul
> > http://www.PaulRoark.com