Digital BW, The Print

I didn't see this tiling effect.  Are you sure it wasn't just a 
display thing?  I do agree that I prefer no noise and I would 
probably attack the images with NeatImage first at this point, but it 
worked a couple times in the past and I managed to save images... 
isn't Tri-X though:)

mark

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "scrber" 
<stephen.bate@m...> wrote:
> I have also tried gaussian noise, but in anything above a 2-3 pixel 
> level it is clearly patterned on larger images.  In other words, 
the 
> processing is done in tiles rather than as a whole image in one 
> shot.  This tiling does lead to some patination, gaussian or not....
> It does work OK to kill posterization or other artifacts though, as 
> you said, hide noise with controlled noise.
> BUT all said an done, I am happier with no noise - thats one of the 
> reasons I went digital in the first place!
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Hahn" 
> <markhahn2000@y...> wrote:
> > Playing with the Gaussian noise will yeild a decent grain 
effect.  
> I 
> > have played around with it trying to "hide" digital noise in 
> > the "grain."  To get a Tmax3200 kind of effect I may try printing 
> one 
> > BO on a 2200... just might work out better that way.
> > 
> > mark
> > 
> > --- In 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "chatzebussi" 
> > <chatzebussi@y...> wrote:
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Conrad 
> Weiser
> > > <radimus@p...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Rad
> > > 
> > > I think this not what I am after. At least I feel that noise 
and 
> > grain
> > > are (visually) not the same. But then I am not an expert. Thanks
> > > anyway for the hint.
> > > 
> > > Chatzebussi 
> > > 
> > > > Maybe raise the digicam's ISO so you increase the noise level 
> in 
> > the 
> > > > picture?
> > > > 
> > > > Rad
> > > > 
> > > > chatzebussi wrote:
> > > > > Steve
> > > > > 
> > > > > I couldn't agree more! 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Any suggestions on how to bring back real, good looking
> > > > > (old-fashioned) "grain" in(to) the world of digital B&W 
> > capture? So
> > > > > far I haven't come across a software solution that can 
> emulate 
> > the
> > > > > special aesthetical quality of high-speed-film grain. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Regards
> > > > > 
> > > > > Chatzebussi 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >>A few months ago I narrowed down what seems to be a 
glaringly
> > > > > 
> > > > > obvious 
> > > > > 
> > > > >>point.  My scanned film has grain.  My Scala work and 
Neopan 
> > work
> > > > > 
> > > > > has 
> > > > > 
> > > > >>grain.  Film highlights have dots - its grain. Grain works 
> well
> > > > > 
> > > > > with 
> > > > > 
> > > > >>BO printing - Eureka.  I have several prints from Neo400 / 
> 1600
> > > > > 
> > > > > that 
> > > > > 
> > > > >>look significantly better with BO than with hex.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Now on the digital side, I have used a Fuji S2 for about a 
> year 
> > and 
> > > > >>the pretty much noisless/grainless output compared to my 
> 35mm 
> > film 
> > > > >>work means that the BO dots are much more visible as the 
> black
> > > > > 
> > > > > tries 
> > > > > 
> > > > >>to make up the clear highlight end of the spectrum.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
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