Digital BW, The Print

Thank you for your quick reply. I may just go ahead and get the C84, as it 
is difficult to find
the C82.

jerry

At 07:01 PM 12/4/2003, you wrote:
>Jerry,
>
>
> >What you have recommed in the past few days regarding this topic is the
> >Epson C82. Does this apply to the C84 for BW printing only.
>
>I have not tried the C84 yet.  MIS just received some carts for it.  I
>assume they'll buy one and try it.  Until I've tested it, however, I'm
>reluctant to speculate.  It is certainly my hope that all the C82 inks work
>even better on the C84, with its higher resolution.
>
>Paul
>www.PaulRoark.com
>_________________________________
>
>
>
>At 03:37 AM 12/4/2003, you wrote:
> >Paul, I understand what you say about using the C82 for getting my
> >feet wet BUT I have a daily use printer in my HP932C (ink consumer
> >maximus) As to the idea of 16X20 display prints I have no where to
> >display such a large print not in my home and I have NO intentions of
> >any sort of gallery display. (have already had my fill of hobby
> >business with 14 years as a custom knifemaker) My photography is for
> >me, my friends, and family oh and the occasional wedding or high
> >school grad photo I shoot (all processed by the local Pro lab) So a
> >13X19 will be plenty of over kill for me. I do like the idea of the
> >UT-2 inkset and the simpler way of doing things compared to the extra
> >computer time with the 2200 etc. And the price differance between a
> >C82 and a 1280 is not a concern for me. I just want to know what I'm
> >buying brings the results I am paying for. It sounds as if the 1280
> >will do that for me.
> >
> >Mark W.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> ><paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > > Mark,
> > >
> > > >Will the image quality of a 1280 be noticably better than the
> >C82 ...
> > >
> > > Most viewers of prints would see no difference.  Very critical
> >viewers might
> > > notice that the C82 highlights are not quite as smooth as the
> >1280's.  (But
> > > the C82 highlights are about like the 2200 with ImagePrint, which
> >many
> > > high-end printers on this list have and find very acceptable.)
> > >
> > > I think a slightly more important difference is that the C82 does
> >not
> > > deliver the dmax that the 1280 does; that is, the blacks are not
> >quite as
> > > black.  The C82 is going to peak out with Epson Enhanced Matte at
> >about 1.59
> > > and PhotoRag at perhaps 1.60.  With the 1280 EEM has been hitting
> >1.64 -
> > > 1.68 and PhotoRag 1.64.  (Of course, the old 3000 and PhotoRag beat
> >this
> > > handily with a 1.71.)  With EEM and PhotoRag, I think the C82 depth
> >of black
> > > is fine for many people and shots.  With some of the other cotton
> >papers,
> > > the C82 is weaker.
> > >
> > > So, if one is really into photography as a serious hobby, wanting
> >to try
> > > lots of different papers, etc., then the 1280 is a significantly
> >more
> > > versatile printer.  (Once the "Easy UT-2" -- or whatever it's going
> >to be
> > > called -- is available for the 1280, it'll be the best of both
> >worlds in
> > > terms of ease and versatility, but at a bit higher price than the
> >C82.)
> > >
> > > On the other hand, for budget-minded photographers who ultimately
> >want
> > > impressive 16x20 display prints, I can see them testing the waters
> >of
> > > digital B&W printing with a C82 and then jumping to a 3000 (or
> >4000), and
> > > keeping the little C82 for daily printing and snapshots.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > > www.PaulRoark.com
> >
> >
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