Martin, It looks like the cyan ink is weak. When I calculated the densities for the FS-N inks, I received samples of original PiezoBW from about a dozen sources. Typical of what I've seen in this industry, the densities of the inks varied noticeably. I threw out the outliers and did an average for the target. At the target, the ink performed very well with the Piezo driver. However, quality control in this industry is less than perfect. When one considers the ink, paper, and printer variances, it's surprising the systems work as well as they do. The partitioned workflows exacerbate the problems. With the latest 1160 FS curves (for the forthcoming UT-FSN [name not assigned yet by MIS]), I've made 2 different ones. One is the usual partitioned curve, and other is what I call a "mild" partitioning. I think it will be much more tolerant of the inconsistencies that seem unavoidable at the price points we are working to. Good luck. Paul www.PaulRoark.com _____________________________ -----Original Message----- From: Martin Glader [mailto:martin.glader@...] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 12:19 AM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] MIS FSN and Cone driver I just tested a MIS FSN ink set with the Cone driver on Hahnemühle Photo Rag 308 gsm. I have previously used the original Piezography inks (quite successfully) but I wanted to try something cheaper. I was not completely satisfied. The results can be seen on http://www.kolumbus.fi/martin.glader/fsn.pdf. The density curve is very smooth in the highlight area with a visible separation between 0 and 1 % (!) and also quite nice in the deep shadows. The problem is the mid grey area between 65 and 85 %, which also happens to be a very critical area in most images. The contrast is rather low between 60 and 65 % and very high between 75 and 85 %. I'm editing the images with a custom dot gain preview curve, which I have adjusted correspondingly but it is still a problem. The Dmax on Hahnemühle PR is 1,60 which is lower than with the original Piezo inks (1,64-1,66). Any comments to my observations? My next test will probably be with the UT inks and the Roark workflow. Martin Glader Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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RE: [Digital BW] MIS FSN and Cone driver
2003-12-05 by Paul Roark
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