Digital BW, The Print

Michael,

I made a brief attempt with film recorder output in the late 90's but the
lack of understanding by the lab people and the cost soon forced me to
abandon it. In the past several people have posted some info on LVT
negatives and negatives made with LightJet on transparent Fuji material.

I have seen B&W LightJet output on Fuji color silver paper and it was very
good. Unfortunately only RC paper is available except for one company in
Europe that will output silver fiber and tray develop it.

All things to explore if you need silver fiber prints but want to work
digitally.

Martin Wesley
www.carolynfrayn.com/Guests/MartinWesley/pages/MW_01.html
www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html



> -----Original Message-----
> From: michaelrosensf [mailto:yahoo@...] 
> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:21 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Holy Grail, Double Standard, etc.
> 
> 
> <The technology for making flawless contact negatives from 
> digital files is=
> 
>  very well 
> developed and the results are absolutely gorgeous.>
> 
> If you must have silver prints, another approach is to have a 
> second genera=
> 
> tion film 
> negative made via a device called a Film Recorder. In 1996 - 
> 1998 I had abo=
> 
> ut 50 
> negatives made in this manner by Photo Impact in Los Angeles. 
> They used a K=
> 
> odak LVT 
> and output a 3 inch negative on 4x5 Kodak Copy Film.
> 
> It's necessary that the operator work with you to produce a 
> negative you li=
> 
> ke. Beware, 
> from my experience at that time I think most labs that offer 
> LVT work are u=
> 
> sed to 
> working with color transparencies. Unfortunately, my contact 
> at Photo Impac=
> 
> t has moved 
> on to his own shop and now does color ink jet prints.
> 
> The cost? I paid $75 per negative and it was worth it. (Last 
> I looked, they=
> 
>  had lowered it 
> to $65.) I had been unable to find an Iris shop that could 
> produce a good "=
> 
> gray scale' 
> image; I think my problems then were probably similar to 
> those producing gr=
> 
> ayscale pix 
> with color ink jet printers today. The LVT negative allowed 
> me to bring the=
> 
>  power of 
> Photoshop to my work at that time.
> 
> Forward to 2002. For you RC fans, I've had some small prints 
> of nudes and p=
> 
> ortraits 
> made by Photoworks in San Francisco from digital files. These 
> are color pri=
> 
> nts on RC 
> paper, but with the instructions 'neutral or slightly warm' 
> they've been fi=
> 
> ne for holiday 
> cards. They use an Agfa machine, but I know there are other 
> options. Their =
> 
> prices are 
> very low, 50¢ for a 5x7 in quantities of 100 or more. A 
> single 5x7 is $2.50=
> 
> . But we're not 
> talking art here.
> 
> FWIW, I've moved on from GSP to piezo and agree with Martin 
> that it's not r=
> 
> ealistic to 
> expect the two to look the same.
> 
> Michael Rosen, LTL (long time lurker)
> 
> 
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