That's kind of a shame for me. I have made a sizable investment in time and materials with the current UT work flow for the 1280. I wish I could consume what I have and then make the switch at a more economically feasible time. Hey, we all appreciate the time an effort you dedicate to this! Thanks, Jorge --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > > >Paul, will you be making UT curves for the 1280 and some RC papers > >like Premium Semi-Gloss? > > I'll be making UT-2 Semi-gloss curves. (And/or maybe slider setting > recommendations.) One of the changes was to give better barrier paper > performance. > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com > ________________________________ > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" > <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > > John, > > > > >It looks like PremierArt Printshield is being proposed as a > > >spray for papers like Epson Semi-Gloss to eliminate bronzing. > > >Sounds good. You get a glossy print with good dmax and no > > >bronzing and a protective surface. > > > > Yes, add to this a Wilhelm dark storage life of over 200 years, and > it makes > > an interesting package. > > > > >But with EEM and the like, the Mayer rod with polyurethane seems > > >to give the same results. And even though it's a little more > > >involved than the spray can, EEM is WAY cheaper than glossy papers. > > > > EEM is acidic, having a dark storage life of 110 years, according > to Wilhelm > > -- and that is under ideal conditions. When acidic materials have > been > > encapsulated, they have in some tests deteriorated 10 times as > fast. If the > > acidic H+ ions are cannot escape, they will have nothing to do but > attack > > the un-buffered EEM paper. So, to get an equivalent life, you'd > have to go > > with a buffered cotton paper. The price comparison is then not as > good. > > > > >So why use the RC paper with Printsheild approach? > > > > There are a number of reasons. > > > > One is the existence of the Wilhelm tests of the PremierArt spray. > I don't > > have one for the polyurethane coating I was doing. > > > > I was not able to scale up the Mayer rod. Some claim to have been > > successful with 16x20, but I never saw one. I would have gone to a > thicker > > glass and continued to try if I had not been intrigued by the > barrier > > papers. So, one reason is that I think I'll be able to scale this > process > > up to any size. > > > > I think the carbon pigment may be best protected if it is entirely > > encapsulated. In my high humidity fade tests, the polyurethane > coated test > > strip did worse than one that was not coated. I think the reason > is that > > humidity was getting into the print from the back and then was not > dried out > > the way the non-coated test strip was. > > > > I am most impressed with the solvent based coatings in terms of > their > > ability to surround the particles and protect them. The solvent > based > > materials are in liquid form when they hit the pigments. The liquid > > surrounds the particle and then hardens. The water borne materials > just lay > > on top. It appears to be the difference between water-based paint > and > > oil-based. The later soak in and stick better. The solvent based > sprays > > are going to do a better job of encapsulating the pigment particles, > > protecting them from the environment, and sticking them to the > paper. A > > tech person with one of the acrylic companies also said that the > > solvent-based UV protective sprays are much more effective at UV > protection > > than the water-borne materials. > > > > With the 4000, we'll be able to go with either paper easily. I'm > not > > abandoning the matte papers, but it is time to optimize the B&W > systems for > > both now. > > > > The barrier (RC) papers may be the easiest, least capital- intensive > way to > > get very durable, high dynamic range display prints. At least it > is worth > > exploring. > > > > Paul > > www.PaulRoark.com > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the > membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > printing. 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Re: [Digital BW] Lyson Print Guard
2003-12-18 by islandbuck2
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