Julio Fernandez writes: > Indeed the number of colours possible under 8 bits is mega smaller than in > 16 bits and somehow the differences have to show. The question is when? Consider this: In an 8-bit image, if you isolate level 149 in your histogram and try to expand it to fill the entire image, you'll get a single color. If you do the same thing in a 16-bit image, you'll get a completely new image, because that one channel in the histogram contains 256 levels itself in a 16-bit image. The main reason this isn't always obvious in practice is that very few images make use of all sixteen bits. For example, digicam images or scans may only have 12 or 14 bits at most. As a result, they tend to posterize almost as badly in 16-bit manipulation as they do in 8-bit manipulation. However, if you really do have a full 16-bit image (one that contains data in all 16-bits, like an extremely high-quality scan or digital capture), you'll see the difference if you have to make sharp changes in curves or levels. It also reduces cumulative errors if you make many consecutive changes to colors or levels. > For one thing does the color space used not have something do with whether > you see the difference or not? It has a very slight effect. > I wonder then if using small color spaces like sRGB or Color Match > will limit the number of colours and put many of those colors which > actually reside in film and in 16 bit RGB files out of gamut anyway > so that the small color space becomes the limiting factor? The biggest limiting factor is the original capture. If the original image capture doesn't actually contain a full 16 bits of data, you won't see much difference. > By the same token, inkjet printers have a typically smaller color gamut than > true photographic printers like a Lightjet. As I understand it, inkjets > like the Epson 2200 can only print to 8 bit colour so in fact, 16 bit files > are printed to 8 bit, is that true? If it were, the differences between 16 > and 8 bit files printed in ink jets may not be readily evident, that has > been my experience. The weakest links in imaging workflow today are at the front and back, because these are still (and must remain) analog processes. Thus, image capture and image display/printing are the weakest links. Display and printing are worse than capture. No commonly available display or printing technology allows you to clearly distinguish more than 8 bits of tonality in the result. No commonly available image capture system allows you to capture more than about 12-14 bits in the original image (with electronic cameras, the limitation is the image sensor; with film, the limitation is the scanner). > Are there any other advantages in large bit files besides non-banding? Large files are an advantage only for image manipulation. If you go straight from capture to printing, you don't need more than 8 bits. If you do a lot of retouching and adjustment to your images, having 16 bits dramatically reduces the chances of posterization and cumulative errors that might produce image artifacts. Thus, while it's best to do your image editing and retouching in 16-bit if possible, you only need eight bits for printing or display, and if you are sure you'll never need to manipulate an image again, eight bits is plenty for archiving, too.
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Re: [Digital BW] 16 bit vs 8 bit difference, Re Glen Mitchell´s posting
2004-01-04 by Anthony G. Atkielski
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