----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony G. Atkielski" <anthony@...> To: "Colin & Linda McKie" <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 12:22 PM Subject: Re[2]: [Digital BW] Scanners? Colin & Linda McKie writes: > Anthony's statement (1) might be true in some fantasy land with > scanners which can resolve twice the maximum possible detail/grain > frequency, but in the real world some careful capture sharpening can > compensate for the inevitable shortcomings of the scanning process. >No, it cannot. No digital manipulation can increase the amount of information in an image--whatever the scanner produces is all you will ever get. Furthermore, all sharpening algorithms produce image degradation. Essentially, you trade real image information for an illusion of sharpness: small details are actually destroyed in order to emphasize larger details, which gives a visual impression of greater sharpness even though the image is softened in reality.< No sharpening can increase the amount of information in the landscape, the film, the scan. But it certainly can rearrange the information in the scan that it suits the original landscape or take better. And any manupilation will rearrange or decrease the amount of information so it is hard to say which manupilation should be first in the row. That's what Fraser addresses in that article, a basic sharpening that will allow further manupilations without too much loss of information and at the end sharpening that suits the output process. The last can also be done in Qimage at printing stage. >No, "practical technology" cannot violate the rules of information theory. There is no sharpening method that does not degrade image quality. This reality is one of the fundamental things that every photographer must fully understand in order to get the best out of a digital workflow.< It isn't just with sharpening, there's no image manupilation method that will not rearrange and/or degrade the information. So the choice is which one will be first. Fraser creates different sharpening technics for different phases in the process. The pain is distributed. Seems a sound method. If no other manupilation is done than both methods become one and the same. And archiving the raw, highest resolution scan possible at 48 bits is still possible. Takes more space than film though and will not be up to date with the latest scan hard- and software. The real raw information is in that film or outdoors. There's no choice in digital photography but archiving the file or make a new pic. Ernst ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/ucIolB/TM ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----~-> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: Re[2]: [Digital BW] Scanners?
2004-02-19 by Ernst Dinkla
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