Scott, >... talking about silver gelatin photo prints ... >You and I both seem to have evidence that acid in photo prints is not bad, > nor is mounting them on acid board, nor storing them in an acid >environment (sealed container full of acid mount boards). I disagree. I think it is generally accepted that acid will eventually destroy the paper; it's just a matter of time. I have old prints from the 1800's that are on acidic board, and they are in bad shape; some have been totally ruined. With inkjet prints there have been stories from Florida of very rapid deterioration of Epson Enhanced Matte prints. Presumably the heat and humidity in Florida accelerates the acidic attack on the paper. If we want our old family photos to be available to future generations, we'd be well advised to use acid-free materials. One of the issues I've looked into is how to save old, acidic photos. In the library industry there has been a lot of work with de-acidification procedures. I have products from 2 of the primary companies -- Preservation Technologies and Wei To. Both have aerosol sprays that put a buffer onto or into the acidic paper. (They use versions of magnesium oxide instead of calcium carbonate.) The Preservation Technologies product sprays little micron-size particles of magnesium oxide onto the back surface of the print and is limited by the amount of migration of the acids and thickness of the paper. (These buffers do not migrate.) The Wei To product has the buffer dissolved in a solution. (They have several different solutions that penetrate different amounts.) As such, it soaks into the paper and leaves the buffers closer to the source of the problem -- usually lignin in the wood-based paper or cardboard. The weakness with this approach is that the buffer is strong and seems to slightly yellow the image in my fade testing. So, neither procedure is perfect. I think if I had an important print that was dry mounted on acidic board I'd first de-acidify it in a bag with ammonia for about 20 minutes. Then I'd use the Wei To product on the back and hope that the dry-mount tissue stopped the product from reaching the print. Paul www.PaulRoark.com _______________________________ --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > Scott, > > Air borne acid? > > That may not be technically correct, and I'm not a chemist. However, my > understanding is that acids are molecules that have, in effect, a loose H+ > ion. That ion travels by latching onto other molecules, with water vapor > being a primary "host"(?). > > As a practical matter I've heard it said many times that acids "migrate." > As such, the photos we want to last should not be stored near (even in the > same file cabinet, apparently) acidic materials. > > While the acids may not be affecting the image directly (yet), some of the > acidic papers, like EEM, can have very short lives -- much shorter than the Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links
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RE: [Digital BW] Acidic Silver Prints? -- Update
2004-03-11 by Paul Roark
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