Digital BW, The Print

Terry,

I think the most flexible setup that can print on either matte or glossy
paper without changing inks is the UT2 inkset with the Eboni matte black
installed.  Short of a 4000, I think this is the only setup that can really
do this well.  

It's true that Photo K can also print on both, but the dmax of the PK on
matte is very weak.

With Eboni in the black position, not only is the matte dmax is very good,
but with curves we also get a glossy dmax that is only down about 5% below
the Photo K dmax.  With the glossy papers, this still gives an outstanding
black.  

What you lose by leaving the Eboni installed is the ability to print glossy
paper without using Photoshop curves.  The way the UT2 system prints on
glossy with Eboni is by using the dark grays together instead of the black.
To do this, special curves are needed.  They pull the sepia ink out entirely
at the 100% point and have the magenta and cyan inks almost full on.  By
using the two dark gray inks instead of the PK there is another advantage.
We can get a cooler black.  In some cases this more than offsets the 5% loss
in dmax.  Cool black looks deeper than warm black.  (That is why Eboni often
looks darker than the Epson Matte black.)

So, bottom line, what I recommend is a UT2 CFS with Eboni installed.  I
don't bother with PK at all any more.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

For UT2 information, curves, and settings see:
http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/ 

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-----Original Message-----
From: teelions@... [mailto:teelions@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 5:43 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Why doesn't MIS prefill CFS with photo black ink?

Maybe I'm wrong in my thinking then. Is it the Photo Black that does 
well with both matt and glossy and the Ebony that is only for the 
glossy? I want the versitility of printing to both types of papers.

Terry

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Terry,
> 
> Since UT2 prints glossy paper so well (with the appropriate curves) 
with
> Eboni ink loaded in the CFS, perhaps there is not much demand for a 
UT2 CFS
> with Photo K in it.  (Or did I misread your question?)
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 
> 
> For UT2 information, curves, and settings see:
> http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/ 
> 
> ________________________
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: teelions@y... [mailto:teelions@y...] 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 8:34 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Why doesn't MIS prefill CFS with photo black 
ink?
> 
> I'm very at home with the UT2 inks. It does the job I'm looking for 
> in both glossy and matt prints. I'm now looking into purchasing a 
CFS 
> so i can save on ink purchases. After researching the pre-filled 
CFS 
> systms from MIS, I see that they don't pre-fill with photo black 
ink. 
> Why is that? Doesn't the Photo Black flow as well through the 
tubing 
> as well as the Ebony?
> 
> This will mean I will have to shell out an additional $33.50 for 
the  
> extra parts as well as continue to buy Photo Black carts as they 
run 
> out. Is this really saving that much money over carts?
> 
> Terry Lyons
> www.tlphoto.net
> 
> 
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