Digital BW, The Print

Paul,
That's great information. Thanks so much. One more question please  
or should I post specifically regarding the query?

I've been using the vmPR1290 curves with the UT ink, mostly the c1 
(cold) and the nc1 (neutral). I know that the w1 is a warm tone 
output but I forgot what the gs1 does. Can you elaborate?


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Terry,
> 
> I think the most flexible setup that can print on either matte or 
glossy
> paper without changing inks is the UT2 inkset with the Eboni matte 
black
> installed.  Short of a 4000, I think this is the only setup that 
can really
> do this well.  
> 
> It's true that Photo K can also print on both, but the dmax of the 
PK on
> matte is very weak.
> 
> With Eboni in the black position, not only is the matte dmax is 
very good,
> but with curves we also get a glossy dmax that is only down about 
5% below
> the Photo K dmax.  With the glossy papers, this still gives an 
outstanding
> black.  
> 
> What you lose by leaving the Eboni installed is the ability to 
print glossy
> paper without using Photoshop curves.  The way the UT2 system 
prints on
> glossy with Eboni is by using the dark grays together instead of 
the black.
> To do this, special curves are needed.  They pull the sepia ink out 
entirely
> at the 100% point and have the magenta and cyan inks almost full 
on.  By
> using the two dark gray inks instead of the PK there is another 
advantage.
> We can get a cooler black.  In some cases this more than offsets 
the 5% loss
> in dmax.  Cool black looks deeper than warm black.  (That is why 
Eboni often
> looks darker than the Epson Matte black.)
> 
> So, bottom line, what I recommend is a UT2 CFS with Eboni 
installed.  I
> don't bother with PK at all any more.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 
> 
> For UT2 information, curves, and settings see:
> http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/ 
> 
> _______________________________________
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: teelions@y... [mailto:teelions@y...] 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 5:43 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Why doesn't MIS prefill CFS with photo 
black ink?
> 
> Maybe I'm wrong in my thinking then. Is it the Photo Black that 
does 
> well with both matt and glossy and the Ebony that is only for the 
> glossy? I want the versitility of printing to both types of papers.
> 
> Terry
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
> <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > Terry,
> > 
> > Since UT2 prints glossy paper so well (with the appropriate 
curves) 
> with
> > Eboni ink loaded in the CFS, perhaps there is not much demand for 
a 
> UT2 CFS
> > with Photo K in it.  (Or did I misread your question?)
> > 
> > Paul
> > www.PaulRoark.com 
> > 
> > For UT2 information, curves, and settings see:
> > http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/ 
> > 
> > ________________________
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: teelions@y... [mailto:teelions@y...] 
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 8:34 PM
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Why doesn't MIS prefill CFS with photo 
black 
> ink?
> > 
> > I'm very at home with the UT2 inks. It does the job I'm looking 
for 
> > in both glossy and matt prints. I'm now looking into purchasing a 
> CFS 
> > so i can save on ink purchases. After researching the pre-filled 
> CFS 
> > systms from MIS, I see that they don't pre-fill with photo black 
> ink. 
> > Why is that? Doesn't the Photo Black flow as well through the 
> tubing 
> > as well as the Ebony?
> > 
> > This will mean I will have to shell out an additional $33.50 for 
> the  
> > extra parts as well as continue to buy Photo Black carts as they 
> run 
> > out. Is this really saving that much money over carts?
> > 
> > Terry Lyons
> > www.tlphoto.net
> > 
> > 
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