Hi Tyler, I wish I could remember where I saw those comments about the dither cell size. It may have even been in a discussion in this group, but wherever it was, it was a few months ago now. To be accurate, it was a comment made by one person only, with others agreeing that they could understand why it might be so. The logic was something along the lines of this: IP provides finer tonal gradation than the Epson driver, but does it by using a larger dither cell size. > We recently did a comparison of B&W output and IP's quad output looked great I didn't realise IP could use quadtone inksets or is that not what you meant? Thanks for the extra details about the Epson driver. I just read through Bill Atkinson's PDF file about the creation of his profiles -- that's an eye-opener in itself. I can see how having perceptual linearity is ideal, and otherwise it becomes a guessing (or measuring) game in order to determine what it costs you. I suppose it would all depend upon the slope of the "worst" parts of the transfer curve, plus the number of bits of accuracy that are being used to represent the values being sent to the driver (out of interest, do know the answer to that second point?). Bill's success with his profiles tends to indicate that the Epson driver is somewhere on the right side of pathalogical in those respects. Still, as you say it's a shame Epson didn't remove this hurdle in the first place. Colour printing is still an open issue for me, as I'm getting very variable results. While I'm getting good proportion of satisfactory prints, I've learned to dread any image with a strong dominant tone (sunsets, shots taken under coloured artificial light, etc). I guess I'm changing tack to B&W for a while because a change is as good as a rest. Can you suggest any groups or forums where I could find some solid information about the different colour RIP options? I've been lurking in the IP group but I think I'd be better off somewhere that's not devoted to one particular product. Also, is there a decent free RIP out there, like QTR but for colour? Anyway, thanks for all the help so far, and I'll try to go bug someone else with my questions after this ;o) -= mike =-
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Re: Pure quadtone vs. "toner" inksets
2004-04-27 by mike_nunan
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