Digital BW, The Print

Super, thanks Scott, I didn't try this method - I got to pack 10 of 
the 400 page manual (basically the end of the contents...!) so I'm 
not to aufait with the recommended setting.  I will try this, along 
with colormatch (another very wide gamut space so should be fine, 
altough with most of my capture, digital, I can't expect much more 
than an expanded sRGB anyway.

Thanks

Steve

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Graham" 
<gebilwil@n...> wrote:
> Hi Steve,
> 
> In the PS print/preview box I'm using "printer color management"  
(note that "same as 
> source" does the same thing).  Then in the print driver I 
select "color controls", that is the 
> one that shows the sliders, and leave the sliders alone.  Epson 
recommends this for B&W.
> 
> Voila! neutrality.  Using the paper profile in print preview gave 
me olive midtones.
> 
> Oh, I did make a "brilliant discovery" about a dumb mistake I was 
making.  Since I had 
> started with a B&W negative and scanned it, it seemed to be B&W.  
Duh, checking with the 
> eyedropper showed "black" to be not completely black since I had 
not profiled the scanner 
> (totally unnecessary in my opinion if one thinks  :~)...  ).
> 
> Now I desaturate my B&W so it really is.
> 
> Which brings up another point:  Epson printers (all inkjets, 
except a few 'weird off the wall 
> ones") need RGB input files which they then convert to their ink 
profiles (some verison of 
> CMYK depending on the inkset).  If they don't get it, they first 
convert the input file to RGB 
> and then convert it to print.  Conversions (rounding errors, 
clipping, etc.) are NOT an 
> advantage.  While this may not be a disaster for color, B&W is the 
most demanding thing 
> that you can ask a printer to do.  ANY tiny color shift shows.
> 
> I did not experiment with grey scale vs RGB, just 'followed 
directions', as the CM exps took 
> enough time.
> 
> Oh, and I use Colormatch as a work space as also recommended by 
Epson---in my tests 
> vs Adobe RGB it did not affect the color tone of the print, but 
did affect the density.  You 
> can of course fix the density on the screen before printing.
> 
> The advantage of Colormatch" for color is that it matches the inks 
better---looks slightly 
> duller so you get more what you expect.  It does not adversely 
affect the Printed Result, 
> just that the screen is more real.
> 
> Good Luck
> Scott
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "scrber" 
<stephen.bate@m...> 
> wrote:
> > Hi Scott.  What workflow are you using?
> > 
> > I had in the PS CS print/preview box - Adobe 98 as document 
space (or 
> > GG2.2, then I select the actual 4000 enhanced matt profile as 
the 
> > print space.  Then switch off all colour management in the 
printer 
> > driver.
> > 
> > When I tried it in reverse.  ie, select 'printer colour 
management'in 
> > the PS print dialog box, then select the ICM option in the 
printer 
> > driver settings, I got freakish magenta or olive prints - way 
wrong.
> > 
> > Could you explain your methods?
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > Steve
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Scott 
Graham" 
> > <gebilwil@n...> wrote:
> > > Hi Stephen,
> > > 
> > > Nice report.  
> > > 
> > > I just got my 4000 going and also experimented with the color 
> > management.  I now have 
> > > all ink neutral prints, using a CM method that I didn't really 
> > expect.  The ICC method gave 
> > > me somewhat olive midtones, but the print driver method 
> > (recommended by Epson for 
> > > B&W) gives completely neutral prints (cool tone). 
> > > 
> > > And I don't see any metamarism, in light ranging from 
daylight, to 
> > flourescent, to halogen 
> > > varied from dim (very warm) to bright (sort of white), but 
maybe I 
> > am not fully sensitive to 
> > > it.  I have been doing fine silver prints for 30 years though 
so I 
> > should know a little.  I 
> > > don't at this early stage see any reason for a rip.
> > > 
> > > This is based on very few prints so far, and only on enhanced 
> > matte, so maybe my mind 
> > > will change?  or maybe the paper matters?  I picked it for 
cheap to 
> > learn with, but it looks 
> > > pretty good to me.  Will be trying velvet, photo rag and 
> > ultrasmooth when I get time.
> > > 
> > > Scott
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "scrber" 
> > <stephen.bate@m...> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > --- In 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "scrber" 
> > > > <stephen.bate@m...> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > Hi there, I have just taken delivery of my 4000 and I 
wanted to 
> > > > give 
> > > >