John - Do you consider Paul Roark's testing as 'internal'? Tom Baker john dean <deanwork2003@...> wrote: Does anyone have reliable info on the true permanence o UT7 pigment inkset by MIS? I mean by someone who is a scientist who doesn't sell their products. I realize becaue of the quality of the tonal rendering and the price difference with Cone's new inks, it may not bit a big issue with a whole lof of people, possibly no issue at all for a lot of you. But for me I still need reliable confirmation in order to sell work for exhibitions and galleries, etc. I know from past experience there is a lot of misinformation out there from Cone's early proclamtions of "carbon pigment the oldest substance known to mankind" when they later addmitted to me they were realisticly rated at 50 years in average daylight .. to the Lyson propaganda that their hextone inks would "outlast most gelatin silver prints" - and their archival inksets were rated about 75 years at the very best without spraying them. So, why does't MIS hire a reputable testing facility or two? Please don't tell me it cost too much. This is their responsibility and it has to be factored in. Bottom line is why should anyone trust their internal tests? In terms of years, what DOES their internal testing data reveal? And, yes equiveliency in years of permance does matter to my clients. Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See �Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines� in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [Digital BW] UT7 and Wilhelm abandoned us - who do we believe?
2004-07-18 by Tom Baker
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