Digital BW, The Print

Tom

Not to question in any way Paul's integrity (which I absolutely don't), but
to answer John's question directly Paul is hardly independent of MIS and the
development of the UT7 ink set.  He IS the developer.

John - I think the issue is an economic one.  MIS is a small independent
company and companies like Wilhelm charge a lot for what they do.  So in
lieu of expensive independent testing they have worked with one of the most
respected people in digital B&W photography printing to develop a set of
inks which they believe meet the requirements of serious printers in this
area.

Steve

> From: Tom Baker <tbaker1328@...>
> Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 20:52:13 -0700 (PDT)
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Paul Roark's Tests
> 
> I take it you are relatively new to this forum.  Paul is a regular contributor
> to this group.  Paul is a very critical photographer who has, for various
> reasons, taken a keen interest in print longevity.  He works very hard at
> providing objective insight into this issue.  And, he receives no money from
> any source related to this work.  He certainly does not have the resources
> that Wilhelm or RIT have, but he is extremely helpful and open about his
> findings.  I believe that his integrity in these matters is beyond reproach.
> That makes it easy for him to ask the tough questions, regardless of the
> vendor. He is tireless in his research on this (and most things he has an
> interest in).
> 
> Paul is quite highly regarded.  He is doing a workshop on digital printing at
> Anderson Ranch in August.
> 
> So, he's a great resource for many of us.  And, you can always contact him
> directly to discuss pros/cons of his testing and related matters.
> 
> You might check out his website.
> 
> Tom Baker 
> 
> john dean <deanwork2003@...> wrote:
> I'm sorry I don't know who Paul Roark is. Is he a scientist who
> specializes in chemical optical reactions? I know who Wilhelm is
> and know his many years of taking on Kodak before he joined up
> with Epson, HP, and Microsoft.
> 
> By independent I mean a lab like RIT who is not directly involved
> with the company that they do tests for. If Paul Roark fits into this
> category that that is great. Where did he gain his expertise for
> doing this kind of work? Where can I learn more about him? Like
> I said I am fed up with Wilhelm not testing all the great third party
> inks and media out there. He has been bought .
> 
> If Paul Roark is the new old Wilhelm, then I'm all for supporting
> him. I just want to learn more. I have only seen these tests on the
> MIS website ( like Lyson and Cone do on theirs). And they all tell
> us to "draw our own conclusions". I've been a photographer and
> fine art printmaker for 25 years but I am NOT a scientist. Why
> can't we have a one stop place where all media and inks are
> compared together by more than one independent source. I
> mean the most in demand products. That is what we need. And
> again, this is a huge market so I don't think money is the issue
> here.
> 
> 
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