GEM is the Applied Science Fiction (now Kodak) grain reduction software that is built into my Nikon 8000. It works well. Paul www.PaulRoark.com -----Original Message----- From: Randy Rancier [mailto:rrancier@...] Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 10:48 AM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Grain Hey Paul, What's the GEM system? I'm familiar with NeatImage. How do they compare? Thanks, Randy --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > Doug, > > >...I've found that when I go from scanned B&W originals, I > >get substantially more grain than I'm used to in wet printing. ... > > That was one of my early impressions also. Coming from the darkroom, I'd > settled on Tmax 100 developed to maximize sharpness (at the cost of more > grain). However, with digital, I've had to go the opposite direction. The > "Unsharp mask" tool makes sharpness (relative local contrast) easy, but > getting rid of the grain seems much harder. So, I switched from Tmax and my > sharpening development routine to Tech Pan to get the best grain, even if > the sharpness is not as good as my old Tmax. > > Many say it is the scanners that do this. So, I took an enlarged test chart > and matched the local contrast with a scanned test chart. The relative > grain was the same. The main difference I saw was that the enlarged test > chart was simply soft compared to what I was able to do with Photoshop. > > My conclusion is that, while there are differences in spectral v. diffusion > light sources in the various enlargers and scanners, the main differences > are that the lenses are very effective at softening grain, and unsharp > masking is magic that allows us to make much sharper images than was easily > possible in the enlarger days. This sharpness, however, includes the grain. > > I use the GEM system and have Neat as well to control the grain. Both are > quite effective. > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links
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RE: [Digital BW] Grain
2004-07-20 by Paul Roark
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