Digital BW, The Print

Steve M.,

I get the picture of where you are coming from, and I have no reason to
dispute your perspective. However, I know there are a lot of serious
photographers out there (I get piles of e-mail from them) who are interested
and would become involved but need to see a flat boulevard instead of a
narrow, steep path in front of them. I think B&W printing today is analogous
to being into computers in the mid 80¹s working from a command line, and it
will take the equivalent of a GUI to get them to dive in.

Why do I care, simply because of the advantage of numbers. I realize I would
not have had much of the pro equipment I have worked with over the years if
it weren¹t for all of the enthusiast doctors and lawyers buying 10, 20, 30,
a 100 times as much product as we pro¹s used.  Unless the enthusiasts are
into this in the numbers that are possible the market size will limit
development and keep costs higher than they would be otherwise, and a lot of
neat innovative stuff will never get developed.

Regards, David B. Brooks
Shutterbug Magazine
E-mail: fotografx@...




On 10/15/04 8:00 PM, "sdmey4@..." <sdmey4@...> wrote:

> David, I agree with all 3 of your paragraphs 100% ;0  I can only add
> ' affordable, and easy" are pretty subjective. Many ways to skin a cat so to
> speak, and I have tried them all from the cheapest to most expensive. If easy
> means using someone else's rgb curves on YOUR printer and monitior than its no
> wonder there are inconsistencies all over. I'm a big fan of easy and
> consistancy, so my point is, you have to do it yourself. Printing out patches
> and 
> measuring with the eyeone is a breeze, no fuss no muss, just plain and simple
> linerized greyscale. What a great place to start.
> For users who don't have a handle on color management or the knowledge to
> write there own perfect RGB curves for conversion, what could be easier? Those
> expensive options pay for themselves rather quickly.
> I lost my taste for the epson driver along time ago, fourtunately I only use
> wide format machines now. People think this is too expensive? buts its really
> a money saver and easier in so many ways.
> Steve M.
> 
> In a message dated 10/15/2004 7:31:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> fotografx@... writes:
> 
>> > Steve,
>> > 
>> > I agree with your first sentence without reservation. However printing
>> black
>> > &white is not limited to a ³same as² workflow. There is no reason a user
>> > cannot convert grayscale to RGB and thereby make the workflow process
>> > amenable to the same controls as color. Several B&W (black ink) options
>> > employ some aspect of this strategy. For instance the MIS/Paul Roark option
>> > is a simple one which, although it requires using a ³same as² CMS profile
>> > setting in Photoshop,  also involves a print driver setting of ³no color
>> > adjustment² .  This allows the use of RGB curve files applied to the open
>> > image which in a broad sense functions in lieu of a profile selection in
>> > PrintSpace, providing data going to the printer altered to linearize the
>> > application of CcMmY ink position output.
>> > Snip >>>>>>
>> > 
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