Digital BW, The Print

The 4870 will do that for you,plus the SilverFast
software.Francis
--- "Nunan, Mike" <mike.nunan@...> wrote:

> Hi Daniel,
> 
> Thanks for that. In the end, I actually bypassed
> everything and did raw scans,
> which I then inverted in Photoshop to eliminate any
> possibility of the scan
> software (either VueScan or DiMAGE Scan) interfering
> with things. They still
> looked hard compared to the LS-30, and very hard put
> next to the creamy (but
> soft) output I got from the Epson Perfection 3200. I
> do take your point about
> the grain looking more prominent when the contrast
> is high -- I noticed that
> if I used curves to make the 5400 scans match the
> Epson scans, the grain would
> calm down a great deal too. I have also had good
> results with Neat Image.
> Ultimately, all these things are workarounds
> however. What I'd really like is
> a scanner with the smooth, low-contrast tonality of
> the Epson flatbed, and the
> resolving power of the Minolta. Maybe one day!
> 
> Best,
> 
> -= mike =-
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Staver [mailto:daniel@...] 
> Sent: 19 October 2004 12:32
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Film Scanners
> 
> 
> Make sure you set the highlight and shadow values
> very low in Vuescan,
> otherwise the contrast will be hard. When I had the
> Minolta I would use
> 0.0001 for both values and 'White balance' for the
> color mode. My scans would
> come out very flat, retaining all detail in shadows
> and highlights. Then I
> could increase the contrast in Photoshop with the
> curve tools to my liking.
> 
> As for grain I haven't noticed that big a difference
> in how different scanner
> models will scan grain. My two previous scanners
> were the Canon FS4000US and
> the Minolta 5400, and now I have a Microtek
> Artixscan 120tf. The grain from
> all of them looks very similar - assuming I adjust
> the contrast in the images
> from the different scanners to match as closely as
> possible.
> 
> Contrast will always make a big impact in how you
> see the grain, so it's
> important not to compare a contrasty image from one
> scanner to a flat image
> from another, as the former will always look more
> grainy than the latter.
> 
> Edge to edge sharpness is an issue with the Minolta
> 5400 though. It can be
> difficult to get sharp scans if the film is even a
> little bit curved. 
> Actually this appears to be a problem with most film
> scanners and I would
> recommed getting one that supports a glass holder to
> keep the film perfectly
> flat. This will also allow you to play with fluid
> mounting which can be a good
> way to smooth out the grain structure in many films.
> 
> I've found that the latest versions of Neatimage has
> become very good at
> reducing grain in high resolution film scans. Of
> course, if you use too much
> noise reduction the image will look artificial and
> plasticky, but if you're
> conservative you get to keep the grain structure of
> the film while reducing it
> to less objectionable amounts. Noise reduction
> values of 20-30% seems good for
> 4000dpi film scans of 400iso BW films.
> 
> This can also be a good way to counter grain
> enhancing effects when sharpening
> an image. If you reduce noise first and then sharpen
> you end up with a much
> less grainy image than if you just sharpen directly,
> which can easily increase
> the grain to unacceptable amounts.
> 
> --
> Daniel Staver
> http://daniel.staver.no
> 
> > Thanks for the suggestion, but I have already
> given it a go, and I 
> > still see similar results. I'm pretty much
> convinced it's the light 
> > source. As I mentioned, it's possible to correct
> matters somewhat 
> > using curves, but that can have a deleterious
> effect on image 
> > quality. I think the "problem" is with the raw
> data coming off the 
> > sensor, not in the post-processing. I'm not trying
> to suggest that 
> > B&W shooters should avoid this scanner, just that
> it's worth checking
> >  out some scans before putting your money down, as
> it may not provide
> >  you with the results you want.
> 
> 
> 
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