Digital BW, The Print

I'm intrigued by your reference to lamination.  Could you give a few 
more details, like exactly what the process involves, and any pros or 
cons not mentioned in your message?  Thanks a lot.


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "seacap8" 
<photographer@g...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Douglas,
> I'm printing on an Epson 7600/9600 doing gloss with ultrachrome 
> inks. I have always loved the high gloss of a Ciba print and wanted 
> to get there. I purchased a copy of ImagePrint rip (ouch!) for 
> printing on Epson's premium gloss paper with the UltraChromes with 
> photo black ink. The prints come out gorgeous, but still display 
> some bronzing and gloss differential. Also you can really zero in 
on 
> the tints to your B&W from neutral to selenium or platinum tints.
> 
> 
> So here was my solution...
> First I printed up some BIG ones, 24x36 and took them to a local 
> digital lab that did laminating. I had them do a gloss laminate so 
I 
> could see the results. WOW! They looked just like a Cibachrome! 
> Really made the blacks pop also. They used a hot laminate. I have 
> done some more research and decided that there was not a big 
> advantage/disadvantage to hot over cold. So I went out and 
purchased 
> a cold laminator from Coda Inc. for $1500 (34" wide). Now I'm doing 
> cold laminates on my glossy prints (I can also mount with it), and 
> they do take your breath away if your into glossy. It sounds like 
> you are printing smaller than me, but there are some very 
reasonably 
> priced small laminators out there. Also the prints are near bullet 
> proof with the laminate on them...you can sit your cocktails on 
them 
> at the end of a long printing session...8-)
> 
> 
> 
> > hello all.....well I am still looking for a glossy paper success 
> > story......I have now lowered my standards again! I dont care if 
a 
> > print only lasts one month. I am looking for a way to get a BW 
> print on 
> > glossy paper, with a standard photographic look. Bronzing is not 
> > tolerable. People look at a print that has bronzing and they wait 
> about 
> > one second and say...."did you do this on your printer or 
> > something?..... What i need is to be able able to put a print in 
> > someone's hand and have them think that it was "developed", and 
> > therefore a "real photo"......(that is booking agent thinking by 
> the 
> > way)......not to be confused with a nice art print that will be 
> under 
> > glass, which the UT2 inks and art papers do so well. I have both 
a 
> > epson 1280, and an epson 1200. The 1280 ihas the UT2 inks. If you 
> have 
> > been reading my posts, you'll remember that  I am marginally 
> satisfied 
> > with spraying etc....but the pigments really dont cut it for 
gloss 
> when 
> > it comes right down to it. Most everybody agrees I think. SO ...I 
> also 
> > have the 1200 with lyson quad black dye inks. These are a pain 
> with all 
> > gloss papers too it seems. Lyson claims that they work with 
gloss, 
> but 
> > no matter waht, the dark areas ALWAYS turn blue when they dry. 
> That is 
> > on all gloss papers ecept epson cheap photopaper, which shows 
> bronzing 
> > real bad with the lysons. None of the other papers show bronzing, 
> just 
> > the blue color at 85% dark. I have tried profiles, curves, CMYK 
> curves, 
> > yadda yadda yadda......Black only is out of the question on the 
> 1200, 
> > because the dot pattern is really horrible......so I gave up on 
> these 
> > inks once before, and got the 1280, but still have this albatross 
> of 
> > gloss incompetence around my neck. ...does the R800 do gloss BW? 
> It 
> > seems that the 800 should be good for BO...BUT.....does it print 
> on 
> > gloss paper? Really really really?
> > I made a print on an HP that is supposed to do great BW, but it 
> looked 
> > wierd to me. Not bad but weird.  Geez.....