Digital BW, The Print

Hi,

I'm sorry to hear that you had such disappointment with Piezography.
However, I think that you are being unfair about them not being up-front
about their inks not being suitable for glossy papers.

Nevertheless... whilst many people are undoubtedly happy with Lyson SG, the
people I have been speaking to are not exactly impressed with them. Perhaps
this is the nature of things, that I should be talking to 'Piezographers'
(or potential ones) who have tried other systems and not been happy -
perhaps for the opposite reasons (don't want to print on glossy papers, no
shadow detail etc). FWIW, I have seen some rather nice prints from either
Lyson Quads or SG (can't remember, sorry) and they did indeed look nice and
shiny and glossy, but they did not have any shadow detail, and they did
suffer from metamerism... etc

All I am saying here is that Lyson SG may be the best system for you, for
your needs / requirements, but it might well come with it's own set of
issues that you may come to consider disadvantages.

And equally, there seem to be plenty of Piezo users out there who print on
Epson Photo paper and Kodak Ultima Satin etc and are very happy, albeit with
the proviso of adding a protective spray coat.

I wish you the best whichever system you choose to use ;)

Nij




> -----Original Message-----
> From: sturos@... [mailto:sturos@...]
> Good Morning All;
>
> I was at the PhotoExpo in NY last week specifically to check out
> alternate inks for b/w printing.
>
> Have had great disappointments with the Cone Piezography system
> especially regards clogging problems and incompatibility with anything
> other than a really flat matte paper.
>
> Have e-mailed/spoken with the MIS people and they at least (unlike
> Cone's group) were very upfront about the limitations of using their
> inks with the paper of my choosing (Epson's Premium Luster, or
> Semi-Gloss are both lovely, and most like the Ilford Pearl surface
> I've been using for years...)
>
> Given the total failure of piezography I've taken to printing b/w
> using the color inkset on an Epson 1270; not a bad way to go, but far
> from perfect.
>
> In any event, I had a long talk with, and eventually ordered supplies
> from the Lyson folks. They have started to sell a Small Gamut inkset;
> it differs from their quad black inkset in that it allows for some
> tonal adjustments, allowing for similar effects to printing on
> portriga rapid, or selenium toning prints for instance.
> Moreover, they claim it's archival, and sell a nice semi-gloss paper
> (they call it Satin), is made by Hahnemule (sic) and which they claim
> is fully compatible.
>
> Anybody out there have any experience using this system???
> After a full year of frustration in my attempts to standardize b/w
> inkjet printing, reading the forums, talking to others I'm convinced
> that using a system, ie; paper and ink from the same manufacturere is
> the way to go...Though most people seem to be sold on either Cone or
> MIS inks it doesn't really work for me...
>