Steve, You comments and questions below address the issues that I think need to be addressed. The zone system was great for film, telling a photographer how to control contrast using film development time and how to chose the exposure to place the contrast range in the optimum place for recording optimum tonality. Though we have bits and pieces of a digital replacement for the zone system, it's not quite the same thing. "Exposing to the right" gets the maximum info out of the sensor, but has the limitations you point of disconnecting the capture from pre-visualizing the print. It seems to me we need a contemporary Ansel Adams to bring clarity to digital exposure the way Ansel did to film. A first axiom might be to expose to the right BUT remember how much exposure compensation was used so that it can be backed out when converting the raw file to a psd/tiff. Backing out the compensation would put the blacks back where they truly were, while maintaining the improved signal-to-noise ratio gained by exposing to the right. The info needed to do this may already be in the raw file as "exposure bias value," recorded in the EXIF data. By undoing the compensation in the RAW converter using the exposure slider the original contrast ratio would, I think, be maintained, but the exposure would slide back to the left where it truly was. It will be very interesting years from now to see which new insights proved to be the critical new axioms of digital photography. Steve Bye ---------------------- Meesage from Steve Kale: Ansel's zone system uses a 10 Zone range of which 8 are considered "dynamic range". Presumably this was a useful number because for the printing processes employed by him and others at the time, this range of mid exposure +/- 4 stops suited the general dynamic range of the papers/chemicals used in the printing process. If papers had a broader more usable dynamic range he might have gone to a, say, +/- 5 stops terminology and placed the mid point at Zone VI. Do I have this thinking correct? If Ansel were stuck with the dynamic range we can achieve from an inkjet printer on matt paper presumably his zone system would have had just 5-6 zones? Further, I understand his philosophy of making the best negative was driven with the knowledge of his printing "restrictions" in hand and the knowledge that he had a more limited (at least in comparison to digital manipulation) opportunities to alter the tonal range significantly after the shutter had been released. (He did of course have access to negative processing adjustments and different paper grades with different contrast ratios etc.) But I think it is fair to say that he strived for the best negative with a "down the middle of the fairway" print process in mind. Digital (particularly when playing with 12 bits or more) provides us with a great deal of latitude over tonal range post the shutter release - either by manipulating the RAW data with a transformation/contrast curve or by altering the data once it has been processed by the RAW converter with a stock gamma and white point. Some have mentioned that we need not be so concerned any more with the restrictions of the print at the time of shutter release because of this increased flexibility. We can pick and choose later which parts of the data we choose to reveal and which not. I understand this. But are digital photographers really abandoning the sort of forward thinking that Ansel has proposed? Are people really saying capture the maximum tonal range possible, conscious of the linearity of the sensor, by simply using evaluative metering and dialling in exposure compensation such that the histogram pushes as far to the right as possible without clipping? I guess a proponent would argue that at least this method means we have the data stored and as printing technology improves we can reprint the print and present a better image with more of the available tonal range presented. But don't you end up losing the benchmark of knowing at the time of shutter release that you have defined the part of the scene that will print mid grey? Doesn't the final print then become simply a complete artistic interpretation affected by memory and other factors? (Eg "I think I wanted the door in my composition to be mid grey", or "I don't care what shade of grey the door was - it looks better this way now.") I am not saying this is a bad thing just trying to determine what boundaries have been crossed. I have not made it through all the materials you guys have given or pointed me to and I will keep going but this lurks in the back of my mind as I go through this. 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Re: [Digital BW] Tonal range recording
2004-11-25 by steve_bye
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