> From: Roy Harrington <roy@...> > > I get what you are saying, I just don't think its as desireable. I think the > relationship between values is much more important to overall effect rather > than the absolute densities. I think with your scheme you'd always have this > extra step of trying to find and match up your dmin and dmax. > Hi Roy et al I believe in the relationship between variables also. I also believe in the LAB mantra and would like the relationship between variables to meet LAB specs because you have sold me on the fact that it is the way the eye sees. In my scheme, I don't have to find dMin and dMax - they are known as they are in the current methodology. "Matching them up" takes about 3 seconds. With the current methodology, I have to "match up" the end points and all points in between. I could get what currently has to be done in with a soft proof, a visual and imprecise realignment of two images on screen, in this same 3 seconds. Furthermore if my image is all in-gamut such as my simple classroom example, I don't even have to do that. The reason why the current method has to fall back on to soft proofing is very very simple. This is very important and is the crux of this conversation. (Anyone want any more "verys"?) While the current process of "linearization" involves linearization OF LAB values it does not linearize TO LAB (over the dynamic range of the printer). This has a number of big ramifications: our workspace (even with LAB-Grey!) will never match the print space and the gamma of our print space is different for different papers meaning even those parts of the density spectrum BOTH papers are currently capable of rendering will be rendered differently. This is why a value such as L=50 in the image will never print at L=50 nor even consistently across various papers. (This would not be a big deal if we had colorsync to manage the transition between these (linear) spaces but we don't.) As a result, we have to soft proof even to get an in gamut image to print properly. I admit I am asking you to do things differently. Specifically I am asking you to: 1. Calibrate the RIP differently (TO lab, not OF Lab) 2. This means you will need to look at step wedges a little differently 3. Draw the curves that manage tonal compression (or currently fix the RIP's tonal compression) differently Actually a lot of people (most?) don't even worry about RIP calibration and step wedges. They simply rely on the work of others (I have no problem with this) and so, for many, items 1 and 2 above are a non-issues. With regard to item 3, we who calibrate the RIP could simply distribute our "standard" curves for each paper, much in the same way Paul Roark does. In this case the workflow for most collapses even further. This is change, yes. But I believe it will result in a simpler, faster, more visually intuitive and more precise workflow than the current. Another very important point. There is nothing in my proposed workflow that results in or calls for "clipping". The image file is not clipped. The gamut is not clipped. You CAN clip if you so choose but this is your call. (Note a wetroom photographer clips when he let's the non V zones fall where they may and they fall outside the tonal range of the paper. The only way he can manage this is through dodging and burning. We have dodging and burning AND curves.) Guys, I can't go on with this in this form. If I could show you what I mean with the aid of a few simple diagrams we would at least reach comprehension (if not adoption!) much faster. So why don't I do this. I will write up with the help of a few diagrams what I am saying and proposing. I will give it three simple headings: 1. Steve's RIP Calibration (avoiding the word linearization!) 2. Managing compression of the image file to printer tonal range 3. Workflow summary I'll try to note what I see are the key issues with the current system and why these are overcome with my proposed method. I'll send it to you by email offline and you can either read it at your leisure or toss it in the trash. How's that? Steve
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: LAB Step Wedge -- a grayscape Lab space
2004-12-09 by Steve Kale
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