Digital BW, The Print

Mark,

The HP 130 makes great looking color prints.

I have two samples they sent me. The "headshot" and the Cheetas.

I was really impressed. Eveyone I've shown those samples to are blown 
away when I tell them they're inkjet prints.

I don't know about B&W with the 130. I'd like to see them use a gray 
cart with 3 inks (or more!) like the #59 cart for the smaller HP 
printers. Maybe their next version of this printer.

Side by side, I like the Epson-MIS EZ cart system best. More paper 
choices, and as an added bonus, lower cost.

If you are able to print b&w with an HP 130, report your observations 
here. I'm interested as well as others here, I'm sure.

Scott

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "m_r_tomlinson" 
<mark.tomlinson@q...> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for your encouragement. I will continue to use my Epson 1290
> and UT2 inkset and continue participating in this group. 
> 
> I like Epsons and I think the work that people like Paul Roark and 
Roy
> Harrington do is great and should be applauded. I also used to use 
Jon
> Cone's workflow on an 1160 many years ago. Experimentation is what
> makes these groups work so well. I am not trying to start some rival
> group.
> 
> Surely a wide format 24 inch printer like the hp130 for the price is
> worth a look and some experimentation, no? Maybe this is not the 
forum
> to discuss these things as it has become dominated by Epson related
> technology. (And there is nothing wrong with that.)
> 
> For the record I have made some nice black and white prints with the
> hp, but I take your points about being tied in to their ink and 
paper
> and that's fine. Although a lot of people are now using Ilford 
papers
> with it (myself included). I usually like toned prints rather than
> neutral BW so some of the issues you mention (like colour casts) are
> not so relevant to me personally. Also I don't see any metamerism 
with
> the hp130, but most people who have discussed this on this group 
just
> assume that it will be present.
> 
> Regards
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Andre"
> <am1000@v...> wrote:
> > 
> > --- In 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "m_r_tomlinson"
> > <mark.tomlinson@q...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hi
> > > 
> > > I have just started a group to deal with this issue called
> > > Digital Black and White printing - Non Epson. It can be found 
at:
> > > 
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBWnotEpson/
> > > 
> > > Now I also have a DesignJet 130 and am struggling to make BW
> prints
> > > 
> > Mark,
> > 
> > Good luck with your group. I think that's an issue HP should 
address
> > or failing that, hopefully a third party ink supplier. This group 
is
> > mostly centered on MIS inksets and the other group mostly centered
> on
> > Jon Cone's Piezo inkset. I fail to see how you can make progress
> > without a third party inkset supplier. Maybe you can convince MIS,
> > BWguys or even Jone Cone to design an inkset for your HP printer. 
> > 
> > I remember Jon Cone promising to adapt its Piezo system to Canon
> > printers. That was at least two years ago. Anyone using a Canon
> > printer with the Piezo system these days ? In any event that's not
> > going to be of any help to your HP printer.
> > 
> > There's a few good reasons that Epson's are discussed on this 
group.
> > Simply put, it works. What other printers are able to use pigments
> > inksets ? 
> > 
> > Using dyes color dye inksets for b&w prints will gives you all 
sorts
> > of problems: reduced longevity, metamerism and color casts. These
> > issues have been discussed ad nauseam on this group. 
> > 
> > HP has a new insket which is said to produce neutral b&w prints
> with a
> > color inkset. And is HP providing this inkset for A3+ and larger
> size
> > printers ? Problem is, you're stuck with HP's high price for the
> > inkset and longevity is assured only if you used HP brand paper. 
> > That's what I call a captive market. Thanks, but no thanks.
> > 
> > Bottom line is: show me a non Epson printer that can use a carbon
> > pigment inkset from a third party supplier and I'll consider it 
when
> > the time comes to replace my four year old Epson 1160 printer.
> > 
> > Respectfully,
> > André Moreau